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PortableApps.com Update (Week of Mar 3, 2008)

THIS UPDATE IS OUTDATED. THE CURRENT ONE IS HERE:
https://portableapps.com/node/12853

Welcome all to another PortableApps.com Update. It's late in the week again (sorry about that), so it's a mix of summary and what's coming. And I ran out of punch and pie. But there's a drinking fountain in the back somewhere. And a guy with a water gun filled with seltzer for some reason. Anyway, here we go...

Updating Current Portable Apps (Re-Completed)

Though it was done last week, there were new releases of Notepad++, WinSCP and GIMP this week that needed updates to the portable versions. And I fixed the final bug in PuTTY Portable with the new launcher.

More Formalized Beta Testing

The Beta Testing Team is forming up nicely. The plan as of now is to use a listserv to ping people via email when there are new apps ready for beta or updates to fix bugs. It's setup on SourceForge and I'll be configuring it this weekend.

Development Test Apps to Pre-Releases

The next 5 new developer apps have been moved from Development Test to Pre-Release status including Jooleem, InfraRecorder, PeaZip, PDFTK Builder and Task Coach. Barring any major issues, they'll all be official releases next week.

Development Test Tracking

We're working on trying to track development tests better going forward. Zach (ZGitRDun8705) has kindly offered to be the official maintainer of the Development Test page and watch the forums daily for new releases and ensure they make it on the page.

Development Test Hosting

As we'll be doing more releases from outside developers, we'll need to come up with a better way for folks to get hosted. One option is to have a few more release techs (experienced, trusted members) on the main SF project and let folks post a ping in the forums when a new release is ready and uploaded via FTP. Another option is to do the same but with an alternate SF project (which could have more release techs). Other options are being considered including an FTP upload on the new downloads.portableapps.com server that will be coming online to host freeware. Other thoughts are welcome as well. The goal is to make it easy for folks to get dev tests up and not have me as a bottleneck.

Platform Development Team

The Platform Development Team is now official. In addition to myself, SmithTech (developer of the SmithTech Menu PAM clone), XRXCA (developer of the PAM Mod fork) and maggotboy (developer of the geek.menu fork) are all on board to work on the platform going forward.

PortableApps.com Platform 1.1 Final Beta This Weekend

I'm working out some things in the installer and upgrades, but the next platform beta is being posted this weekend. There aren't too many differences from the 1.1 Beta 4 release except automatic screen position remembering, ability to disable the personal picture entirely, some new translations, TEMP environment handling, the ability to rename the drive from the menu, etc. Nothing unexpected, really, but it will be nice to get this posted as stable.

PortableApps.com Platform 1.5 in SVN Next Week

I'm putting the final touches into the 1.5 platform for loading into SVN next week. Just a few files to sort out first. This has the PNG with alpha transparency support for the new themes, renaming of apps, etc support and we'll be adding in some other bits as we go. If folks are interested, I can release a 1.5 Alpha 1 so folks can see it in its unfinished state and begin to play with it.

Upcoming Localizations

While we support as many languages as we can with the multilingual apps (like FileZilla) some apps we need to pick and choose based on popularity as they require extra effort (OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird and Sunbird). We currently do English, German, Italian and French. The next languages on deck are Japanese, Simplified Chinese and Spanish. We may be putting a push on Japanese as Mozilla Japan is keenly interested in having portable versions available for bundling on drives.

Drupal 6 Upgrade Status

We're still awaiting updates to the Spam, Views and SimpleNews Drupal modules to be able to upgrade the site. We'll probably have to upgrade the Mark All Read module ourselves (anybody with experience and time?). Once done, we'll have real forum mods, better multilingual support, better performance and more... so the sooner we can do it, the better.

New Press Articles

Added a few new articles to PortableApps.com In The News with stories from PC World, PC Magazine and PC Mechanic. We're also being bundled in an upcoming issue of Computerbild magazine with some new features in the upcoming 1.1 release, which is cool.

That's the gist of it. More to come. Have a good weekend.

Regards,
John

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Thanks for the update, for

Thanks for the update, for the development test hosting, i'd recommend a second SF project, I believe somebody created a PortableApps Development Test project. If this is correct, maybe we can just use that, and set a few release techs to it.

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Yes

It was Kevin. And Steve came up with this. But a Sourceforge thing is definitively better although Steve's version is faster.

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I'm a little late

I've been busy. But, yes. The Sourceforge PortableApps.com Development Test project is here. I am willing to give anyone the permissions to upload and release files, so I'm glad we can put that to use.

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great, thanks for that. it

great, thanks for that. it would be great for those that aren't set up with hosting, or are creating large packages. I think it would be best to have a trusted group of people to upload to this site. This of course means that newer developers will have to upload to mediafire or something similar, but then somebody from your trusted group can give the app an official home.

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Cool

I'd love to have access to that project (rayven01 at sourceforge too). I'm using google code for Launchy & CADEMIA at the moment but I don't care for it.

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Sure.

I'll take care of that right away.

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I'd like that...

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You need to make yourself a

You need to make yourself a login account on SF.net.

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Thanks John

Thanks as always for all your hard work, time, and effort.
It is a shame you are not appreciated more.

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Yes please make an Aplha of

Yes please make an Aplha of v2.0 available as soon as the code is in SVN. I'm unable to compile it myself.

And please consider using scripting (ala pascal) as plugin format!

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2.0

Funny you mention that as I'm debating between doing a relatively quick 1.5 release after 1.1 and getting in the renaming and simple theming only and doing a more full blown 2.0 release with categories and advanced theming, too. I'd kinda like to do the former (release early and often) as I've been so slow in updating up to now.

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I agree

I think a new release would be AWESOME. We'll all be looking forward to it.

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Early and often sounds good.

Early and often sounds good. Or even after 1.5, take your time (not a year again ;)) and get 2.0 set. I'm sure 1.5 will be great.

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Well, to be frank, I

Well, to be frank, I expected any post 1.1 version to have the categories and advanced theming. So why not grab one of the mature forks as a base for your official 2.0 and start concentrating on that. What else could there be between 1.1 and 2.0 what would constitute a 'full release'?

I have used v1.1 Beta 4 in the past and could not imagine what even needs a v1.1 Beta 5... Yet I dont know about other systems other than my Win2Kpro.

Release early and often! Yes, Release 2.0 early and skip the 1.5. Or 2.0 would be so premature (for example, discarding work that has been done by the mods) and 1.5 would have so many additional features that it would be worth a full release.

But if the functionality of 1.5 is virtually identical to 1.1, moreso considering 1.1 gets another Beta, what's the point? One of the most desired functions, the categories, is what most people are graving for. Can't renaming be added to the coming 1.1 beta 6 and then go full speed on 2.0?

(If I need to rename now, I just rename the launcher exe Wink

IMHO I would suggest to get 1.1 released as soon as possible (Used the 1.1 B4 for a long time without any issues that would prevent it to be an official release) without spending to much time on 1.x versions and concentrate on the next gen with the options we all are waiting for. (Mainly categories).

Now almost all Mod devs are on board which have much more features than your planned 1.5 it's a bit of a step back instead of a step forward. Most of use expect the next official PAM to be more like the Mods than the v1.1.

Now I think you probably find the MOD's code 'messy' and 'chaotic' I don't know, but I think these Mods could be a great starting point for a new official release. You are probably a perfectionist that might keep you from taking the mod's codebase and go from there. But I would think thats a great way to start and the PAM will mature very quick into a real new version.

Else I'm afraid it will maybe take a loooong before anything will be released that approaches the usability of the Mods. So I would opt to skip the 'relative quick' 1.5 release.

The other advantage of skipping 1.5 is skinning. Especially when you look at the number of skins/theming available for the Mods. To waste time on implementing simple theming for 1.5 while you know you will go for a more advanced theming seems time better spend on getting the advanced theming. The already available themes are fantastic.

Just my two (euro) cents.

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Few Things

1.1 B5 introduces a managed TEMP directory, working PortableApps.com Format support (appinfo.ini and appicon.ico rather then pulling from the launcher), removable personal pic, positional saving, renaming the drive, etc. It's basically a polished version of B4.

1.5 (or 2.0) would add renaming, which happens in a different form from the other menus. The others are using code introduced in PAM Mod that renames apps within the app folders. We'll be doing it within the PAM data folder so the apps aren't getting touched. It would also add 'simple' theming, which I should clarify. There are going to be two theme formats for PAM. One is simple theming... which means the same layout as normal PAM but with different images. This will be very easy for newer themers to use and shouldn't introduce any usability issues as themes that move things around can.

2.0 (or 2.5/3.0) would have the other, which is advanced theming, which will allow users to reposition everything, change form size, etc. The first is easy to implement. The second will require quite a bit more testing. We'll be drawing on the work done in the forks/clone, but we may wind up doing it in a slightly different way (including the use of PNGs instead of BMPs, JPGs and ICOs. It would also add categories, which we'll also be implementing within PAM itself rather than altering things in the app directories. It will draw from the categories built into the PortableApps.com Format (which you see in the App Directory here). They'll need to be localized and fully tested. And we'll need to figure out how to display them best, whether to expend out, popout, etc. We'll probably do a couple trials and gauge reactions. Ideally, we'll also add additional stuff into 2.0 including the simple security by obscurity password as well as truecrypt integration... maybe even in 1.5 depending.

Basically, it's a matter of low hanging fruit, translation time, testing time, etc. The goal is to get it done solidly quickly. And I think doing one release in between might make that easier. But we'll see once everyone is coding away. It could wind up being relatively easy to get it all in.

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Ah okay. Would using the

Ah okay.

Would using the appinfo category not limit the more intiutive category handled by pam itself? Say a user has an insane ammount of apps, PAM needs to read all appini files and then create categories, instead of keeping a list of categories globally. Hmm maybe that doesn't make much difference anyway. But the appini does make an interesting problem. It always needs to be synced with the installer (concerning version, exe name, etc. And also the icon. Maybe the AppInfo.ini could be generated on install time by the installer. This will make sure that the AppInfo,ini is always synced with the info in the installer. One bit less to be concerned with. One less place for developers to manually edit.

It's that the installer needs the ico file too to produce the launcher and setup, else it could as well use the launcher icon.

I hope developers arent swamped with adding similar info in 10 places. (Oops forgot to update the appinfo, etc.) ((See earlier discussion of the Launcher and setup sharing info)) So I hope you also take the information management into consideration. If it can automatically generated, please do. Not because it's not much work for you to manually do it, but because it helps managing the production of new portable apps. I'm sure many things like adding info to the appinfo.ini and other places (launchers, installers) could be centralized so when implemented correctly these info will always be synced together. 9Something computers can do very well)

Things in AppInfo similar or identical to parts of the Launcher/Installer: App name, version, description, site, exe name. Category is unique to the appinfo file but could easily be set through AppInfo.nsh file to make managing releases easier.

Anyway, if you must, release another beta of 1.1 and an alpha of 1.5 but I really am waiting for 2.0 (or as you call it 2.5/3.0).

I hope you could together with the community make creating a new portable app more easy by automating tedious tasks and let some extra code in the installer handle with duplicate information and have as much as possible app information be centralized in one spot. Again, this will be useful for every new app that is being created.

Also think about using !define and !ifdef to conditionally compile the launcher / setup with pre-defined functions for common tasks like adding the code to the launcher. So in the end your setup/launchers would be standardized and easier to configure for new portable apps.

Last but not least, I hope you post the 1.1 new beta. I'm sure you already have it tested yourself and unleash it to the unsuspecting world. Maybe a 1.5 follow but definitly looking forward to v2.0. But knowing you, you probably want your Alphas to function beyond perfect Smile

As always... great job! Keep'em coming!!!

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Not really

There is one single icon for the entire thing... launcher, installer and shown in the menu. And that's the one in AppInfo. Or ones in the case of OpenOffice.org and other multi-icon apps.

Eventually, AppInfo will be the only place you need to update anything as the installer will just key off that and some scripts, but it's not ready yet. We'll be dropping the version from the help.html as well as it won't be necessary. The menu will be showing the version of the apps installed.

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Two extra things

Not only categories... autostart Apps on start and on close and I promise to switch back to PAM... Wink

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LOL

..."If folks are interested, I can release a 1.5 Alpha 1"...
I think there's no need to declare interest. That's what we're waiting for, we're hungry.
So many themes are waiting for converting, and so less time.

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Heh

Yeah, I understand.

Are you doing to be helping NeoRame run the PortableApps.com Themes forum and gallery here? I'm not sure if he'd talked to you about it but he was going to.

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Hosting

I know I can't volunteer for uploading to SourceForge as my internet doesn't like it all that much it terms of navigating.

However, I think for most developers it would be too much to use SourceForge as a lot of new developers are posting quite frequent updates.

And the last thing I wanna see is you offering more hosting on downloads.portableapps.com, you don't deserve to have to pay for that unless you have a decent funding solution.

My server has 20GB's of disk space, and 500GB's of monthly bandwidth, since I don't have a site up, it's mainly just all for downloads. The only drawback is that I have a 10MB upload limit. Ryan was working on a mirror script to mirror across ours and anyone elses servers. I'm sure we could use his server for the large file uploading if he's still interested. For and extra 35 bucks a month I'll have a decent amount of more bandwidth, and any upload limit I want, too.

Right now I'm hosting like 10 people or something, and my bandwidth is now nowhere close to the limit with this hosting. Let me know if you're interested, it makes it a lot easier.

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One of the pro's of

One of the pro's of SourceForge hosted content is that its free. You never know how much impact private hosting takes on a budget. Looking at the high position of downloads at SF, I suspect theres much bandwidth involved.

Maybe the SF project (or a special SF project for betas) could be more useful. And for that you just need a number of maintainers, enough so they don't get flooded by all the betas posted. Especially with people as DigitXP around releasing beta after beta Smile

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I Still Don't Like It

According to my stats, beta apps get around 100 or less downloads a month. So there's not much problem there. Some of the 'ready to be pre-released' ones can be uploaded to SourceForge, but otherwise, using my server's easiest.

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You got a point. Maybe

You got a point. Maybe pre-release ones should get a place on SF.net.

But don't forget if John puts up an official list of beta's, more people will download them. Of cource many wait till the official releases because they think Beta's can blow up their PC's or what not. But when an app stays to long in the beta traject even those people will download the beta, just because they can't wait anymore. And looking at the large number of Betas... hehe.

You could do the math yourself. number of apps you host, their sizes and say the 100 downloads. 10 apps of 10MB (100MB) times 100 downloads... and with 20 it doubles etc.

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Yea

Good Points. If I get people contributing to make that extra 35 bucks a month, me, John, Ryan and others could all mirror, too.

If not, I don't mind mirroring the beta on downloads.portableapps.com

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Sourcefource > all

You're underestimating the popularity of sourceforge. GnuCash Portable alone has averaged 900 downloads a month, using 40GB of bandwidth/month. Hosting beta apps on Sourceforge will increase exposure, guaranteed.

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Yea

But it doesn't mean those people come and find the thread and comment on there findings. We're looking for feedback, not downloads, right?

If we can find a good way to direct users to come post there results in the beta thread, than that would be great.

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Sure..

the vast majority of downloaders probably never visit the forums, but what are the chances of someone finding their way onto the site via a a well-known site like sourceforge vs someone finding their way onto the site from an obscure download site that basically only has links from these forums? A small fraction is better than zero Smile

One way to better point beta users back to the site may be to link directly to the Beta Testing forum release post in the help.html. Another way might be to have a one-time 'nag' screen after closing a beta app the first time asking for feedback and listing the forum link.

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Yea

Those were the two ideas I had in mind.

All in all, I can't do SourceForge, it's too much for me. The damn flash ads, the javascript that doesn't work half the time, and the constant logging me out.

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Google Code > SourceForge

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Maybe so, but don't you

Maybe so, but don't you agree that one central place would be more usefull that scattering the apps all over the internet?

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Not in my experience so far..

Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. Smile I created a google code project 3 days ago and immediately ran into the problem that the upload limits were too small. I put in a request for a quota increase and I still have yet to hear a thing. It's working for Launchy and soon Cademia for now, but I've many times wished I'd not made the gnucashportable project so specific Wink I'd make a more general project but I'm waiting to see what happens with this discussion.

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Send in another

I watch the mailing list and people get their quota upped all the time. They may have just missed it. Try bumping the thread.

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This may be rude, but

am I an official dev?
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Well

I think he likes your apps, he commented on them. I'm thinking he may pick Photormin first.

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Thanks for the update and the announced release.

Hi John,
Good to know that the team is growing up Smile

I'm still waiting for Your answer for the German Edition of the Suite(we have talked about) and the PortableApps Updater.

If there are problems, what kind ever, let me know.

You can count on me for uploading test releases to SF if help is needed.

The planned FTP server is a great idea!

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Whoo!

I still can't wait for the awesome new launcher features!

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John,

Based on your previous post about trying to turn around new version within 24 hours, I just wanted to point out that Filezilla 3.0.8 got released this week.

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John,

You've asked for someone to update the Mark All Read module for Drupal 6; I think that I could do that. Is it a proprietary module, or part of the Advanced Forums package, or something else? I couldn't find it on drupal.org.

Get back to me and I can try to have a shot at it.

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Here

It's not on the Drupal site, it's over here:
http://wtanaka.com/drupal/markasread

Thanks a lot for giving this a shot, Chris. Smile

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Early next week

I'll give it a go then.

I'll probably not start till early next week, as I've got to finish off this term's school work.

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If you get a Subversion repository set up, let me know. I'll help out as much as I can Smile
I'd be willing to do it tonight, but I have an assignment due on Thursday.

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(Trade secret? Blum ) That's the way to do it. Then the "Updating from 5.x to 6.x" option. As for Subversion, I don't have any subversion repositories which I can use. I just do regular backups.
Just think, with the Apache SVN plugin and Eclipse Portable (hint hint?) I could do it...

John: is Eclipse Portable coming soon? How far off is Java Portable?

I'm actually working on a real implementation of XAMPP Portable. Meaning, fixing paths to PortableApps directories, storing stuff in Data and Documents, etc. I got my copy going (and use it) about a year ago, but I haven't got round to finishing my automated launcher.

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Maybe except

Patrick's site Blum

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Mine will rule (once I get MirrorPress working). Blum

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Hi,
I would like to find a link for the new beta version, to test it out.
Thank you.

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unfortunately

it hasn't yet been released.

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Newsletter

how long has the monthly newsletter page say 'coming soon!'?

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I'm here = 77 weeks.

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raise that to 117, that is 2 years 13 weeks Smile

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SVN Please

Is the menu source already put into the SVN repository?

If not, I just think John should just dump the source code on SVN. Using SVN isnt hard at all. I recently dumped the source on there and took it from there. Well unless he wants to import his CVS or SVN history, but eventually it should be uploaded.

I thought many moons ago the release as a week away because I was told that. Now I begin to think he hasn't even started coding on it at all.

Please John, just dump the source into the repository and don't bother with importing the whole history (If you use version control anyway) so things can get moving, dayly builds can be made, things can be tested, etc, etc.

Because as it is at this time, the only result is all developers of the MOD's abandoned their forks so also the MOD's are halted.

Just wing it and put it online, let the other devs fork the trunk to start freaking out and you can merge any stable improvements back into the trunk.

If you worry about how chaotic the code will look, those things will be ironed out eventually.

Please Smile

PS. Please do not make your own SVN server with limited access...

"PortableApps.com Platform 1.5 in SVN Next Week" So it was upped a week ago? And the 1.1 final was posted almost 2 weeks ago? Gosh, must have missed those...

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When I Get To It

When I get to it. At the moment, I'm slogging through app updates which still require lots of my time. Last week we had a couple big issues with some releases which took more.

Even when it's on SVN, only 4 devs will have write access. This has already been thoroughly discussed. And the full sources for the release are already available on SF if you want to look through them yourself.

In short, having it in SVN will not affect you personally much at all. And things won't get rolling in terms of updates until the last stable release is posted (otherwise having multiple commits would destabilize the tree and further delay development).

And on the timing, this was posted on March 7th (look at the post date). Next week clearly meant sometime between the 10th and the 16th. Due to a few extra updates (multiple apps needed updates) a bit of an emergency with developer-submitted app update that required pulling an app and me updating some code, me having a life on the weekend for a change and a few other outside things it's going to be a couple days off that estimate. At the moment, it's approximately 14 hours later than I had given as an estimate... which means the sky isn't falling.

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WHAT

the sky isn't falling, and I was just about to dig out my hard hat Wink

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"Even when it's on SVN, only

"Even when it's on SVN, only 4 devs will have write access."

Yeah, I know. But read access.
All I'm saying is uploading the sources to sourceforge can't take as much time as say, drinking one beer. And you only have to do it once (the uploading, not the beer). You can even start the uploading and go out for a beer.

"In short, having it in SVN will not affect you personally much at all."
Maybe not, but maybe I then can try to find a way to compile the (maybe not-so-stable) versions of the menu on a more regular basis to play with it.

Normally people do a branch from the stable tree and add functionality into the branch. and when thats stable it can be synced with the trunk and then merged back into the trunk.

Anyway. Sorry for mixing up the dates, the title reads "Week of Mar 3, 2008"

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Take your Time.

John,

Please don't let people push you to do anything before you're ready.

I already have a post I'm going to make when we have our next dam "revision".

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Yea eh. I agree with that. John, take the 10/15 minutes to test all the possible scenarios with an app before releasing it. If it pushes the release back a couple of days, it's fine, it's worth it rather than to have another 'dam "revision"'.

I apologize about the Task Coach revision that needs to come, I should check more right before an official release, too.

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Hehe. Oh well, better one

Hehe.

Oh well, better one revision than no revision (while it needs one).

But sometimes you can test for 15 minutes, and another time for days, yet after a release it becomes obvious a revision is needed Smile

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Let us play with the Alpha,

Let us play with the Alpha, please!

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Su.Do.Ku.

This is still bothering me increasingly... where's the Sudoku Portable update?

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about time to get the week of March 30? It's been 23 days since the 3/3 update was posted...

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Okay this is getting rediculous.

John it's been a month since the last update. You've dangling these things for all to see and a new update would be nice. And I though a PAM 2.0 Alpah was comming out in just a couple days a month ago. Sad What are you plans of app releases? We're curious John we want to know what's happening.

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Okay this is getting rediculous

"Okay this is getting rediculous [sic]."

Yes, it is, so please stop it.
Give the man a break.
I will not tolerate another Black Thursday.

At least start a new post with a polite request,
Thank you.

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Dear John...

Dear John,

Would you please please please please consider posting the 1.1 Final, 1.5/2.0 Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta/Etcetera, PAD Specs Alpha/Beta, SVN Repository link?

Or maybe some confirmed release date. A deadline, a road map, something that we can look forward to. It's like waiting for our Christmas present... you know the feeling.

Pretty please, with a cherry on top Smile

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think I can help you with the SVN link

http://portableapps.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/portableapps/

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No confirmed release date,

No confirmed release date, we get those a lot but they never happen. Any all new things are coming "next week" ;). You've been here long enough to know that.

PS. I think you mean PAF Specs, not PAD specs?

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