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Anonymous - April 5, 2006 - 3:49am

Hi everyone.
Still surprised to see 'coming soon' tag on portable os.
I downloaded puppy linux iso onto my pc and burn it on cd, load directly from cd and it has the option of making a portable puppy linux at the start menu with other options. I am still a newbie for linux as an os; but still, it IS a portable os.
Anyone interested in it may download from http://www.puppyos.com/download/downpage.htm
Hopin to see more cute portable apps.


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Haven't had a chance

Actually, Damn Small Linux seems to be the most popular. Search the forums. The reason there isn't one listed in the Apps Dir is that I haven't had a chance to writeup a full review yet.

Sometimes, the impossible can become possible, if you're awesome!

My review?

Did my review influence you at all? The one at http://portableapps.com/node/1301
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R McCue

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Actually, yeah

I hadn't played with Puppy yet. But I'm gonna.

Not at the point to fully fill out the directory yet... but will be lookin for volunteers when I am Smiling

Sometimes, the impossible can become possible, if you're awesome!

I will volunteer, in fact

I will volunteer, in fact put me on the list for anything new automatically (that is unless it is for my detriment Eye-wink).

Yours

Steve Lamerton

Developer Profile Sync & PortaLog

Me Too!

in fact put me on the list for anything new automatically (that is unless it is for my detriment Eye-wink).

Ditto!

~nm35
a.k.a. Mark

ME....

TOO, ME TOO, Please Smiling Smiling

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Deuce   {The Core}
"Portable Software: Just the beginning..."

Deuce
Portable Software: Just the beginning.

Ditto

Hey Steve Eye-wink
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R McCue

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

can i make a request?

can somebody give me a direct link to single file download for puppy OS? i went to the puppy page but its download page leads to FTPs with so many files. I want a single file download

i will be obliged
crazy for new softwares!

Here:

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

thanks

thanks a lot buddy. God bless u
I already downloaded it and i burnt it onto theCD. i m having a problem there. Actually the PS2 port for mouse on my mother board ran out of order and i had to resort to using USB to OS2 adapter for connecting the mouse. I think puppy doesnt have it driver, so my mouse isnt working. Do u have any suggestion how to get it?
thanks once again

crazy for new softwares!

What type of mouse?

Search on Google for 'mouse driver [insert model here]' without the quotes.
It worked with my IntelliMouse.
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R McCue

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Puppy + Virtual PC

I decided to try out Puppy in Virtual PC so that I wouldn't have to burn the ISO and restart my computer. This is the result:

http://members.gamedev.net/robloach/temp/puppyvpc.jpg

It seems like if you were going to use it as a portable OS, you'd burn it on a CD and carry it around with you along with your USB key. When you were at a computer you were looking to use with it, you'd insert the CD, your USB key and then restart the computer. Puppy then prompts you whether you'd like to run it saving settings to RAM or a USB drive. Considering I was just running it in Virtual PC, I had it save settings to the RAM, but I'm quite sure it wouldn't have any problem with saving everything to the USB.

Seems like an interesting solution and definately needs to be looked at in more depth. Anyone have any comments or questions on my test of Putty through Virtual PC?

Rob Loach [Website] [Projects]

Putty?

Or did you mean Puppy? Eye-wink
You can apparently boot off the USB as well if the BIOS supports it.
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R McCue

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Booting from USB

Sadly all of the boxes I've been haven't supported booting from the USB drive. Just the CD and Floppy. If you try it out, please let me know how it goes.

Rob Loach [Website] [Projects]

While I remember...

There`s a boot floppy you can use that redirects booting to the USB.
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R McCue

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

The public computers I use

The public computers I use have a password on the BIOS and have restricted the boot menu... I can only choose to boot from the hard drive. And QEMU doesn't do it for me -- too slow...

~nm35 {blog} {personal space}

The public computers I use

The public computers I use have a password on the BIOS and have restricted the boot menu

Does anyone here know how to do that? I've always been curious when it comes to BIOS restrictions.

edit: I know how to set a password on the BIOS, and set it not to boot from anything but the HD. I want to set it up so that a boot from other devices requires a password, but does not require me to change settings. Simply type the password to boot from another device without going into the settings. Or is that too complicated for a BIOS?

Vintage!

...

Unfortunately... That is a tad complex for a simple BIOS to handle. I am sure that there MIGHT be a BIOS that can be configured in the fashion you mention but I HIGHLY doubt it. A BIOS is only there to get the machine started and going before it hands off to the boot loader of the installed OS. It can handle certain security featuires such as lock the BIOS and specify what drives are present and what it will boot to and such. There is no way to add the arguement of if Bootable USB drive present ask password. There is just no such luck... Sorry boss...

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you do or say will be exaggerated or mis-quoted and used against you.

Floppy that allows to boot to USB?...Huh?...

Really?.... Where?...

I know of many that'll allow an older PC to boot to a CD when their BIOS's don't allow it.

I even know of some that'll allow an older DOS system to be able to "see" USB devices.

...But I NEVER heard of one that'll allow for boot from USB when the BIOS ain't allowing it - till now.
Therefore, you MUST supply us with a link to get our grubby little hands on this software gem....er, please? Pretty please???...

"I don't hate cats...as long as they stay on the freeway, where they belong."
- Brad Stine

Yeh

But see the thing is, I can't find it Sad
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Ryan McCue
Cube Games
Life is like a sewer. What you get out of it depends on what you put into it.
(Tom Lehrer)

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Ummm...

At the risk of sounding like your mother,
"...well, have you even looked?..."

Seriously, though; is it that you just haven't seen it around for awhile (and thus, *haven't* looked), or didja in fact look around for it recently and weren't able to find it?...

I'm salivatin' over here...

/Curious...

"I don't hate cats...as long as they stay on the freeway, where they belong."
- Brad Stine

Actually, both

I haven't seen it recently and I haven't found it either.
I found this while searching, but that's only if it already has USB support.
Edit: Found it! http://www.puppyos.com/flash-puppy.htm
See at the bottom about WakePup
Also, a Knoppix one: http://linuxgazette.net/116/okopnik1.html
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Ryan McCue
Cube Games
Life is like a sewer. What you get out of it depends on what you put into it.
(Tom Lehrer)

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

good am

how is it sir? is there anyone who can teach me how to boot an operating system in a flash drive? for example windows xp?

...

There are many sites out there that can do that. It is very hard to do as there is issues with certain chipsets and flash drives. It is easier to get a BartPE distro to boot from a USB than a full fledged XP distro. Plus, having it on a flash drive is somewhat illegal as it is intended to have on only one drive and that is a hard drive in the machine.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you do or say will be exaggerated or mis-quoted and used against you.

You forgot the best part...

PuppyLinux allows you to write data back to the CD it's burned on! It can even do this on mere CD-R's (up to the disc's capacity of 650 or 700 Mb). Simply look for a version of puppy thats titled "Multisession".

Now, I haven't tried burning Puppy to a flashdrive, but it stands to reason that if you can save stuff to a burnable CD, you prolly can write it to your flashdrive as well.

Check it out!...

"I don't hate cats...as long as they stay on the freeway, where they belong."
- Brad Stine

Actually there are so many

Actually there are so many Linux distributions out there than can be booted and run from an USB stick (all Linux Live CD's) that it gets hard to choose one.

I have tried out many of them in the past weeks and some worked perfectly for me, some did not.

Something all of those I liked had in common was there ability to run from a FAT16 or FAT32 partition. That way I did not need to partition my USB stick in order to keep my Windows apps usable on a Windows machine from the same stick. Though it is not a big problem to create two or more partitions on a stick one will actually need more than one active partition and then run into trouble on most Windows computers not able to show the content of all partitions. Thus you may see the content of the bootable partition with the Linux files but not the Windoes stuff on some other partition...

I did not like DSL and Puppy that much, though both are optimized for the use on USB sticks.

My favourites are Slax based. I especially liked Backtrack and Wolvix. Backtrack (and all the stuff that is included) is simply amazing! The current Beta 2 looks very promising. Wolvix is rather 'normal' but good looking. So is the Ubuntu based xfld 0.3. Slax Kill Bill edition includes Wine and qemu already which makes it possible to easily execute and run most Windows files under Linux. There is a program called MySlax with which everyone should be able to create a bootable (FAT32) Linux USB stick under Windows otf. It can be used for Slax and Backtrack... Another very good script to create such a stick is offered in MCNL (which is based on the Mandriva Linux). Worked fine even on my USB stick which was preformatted into two drives (not partitions).

Finally there is a CPX mini distribution that looks very promising but requires one (or two ext2 or ext3 (cannot remember)) partitions...

For those who care some links:

Backtrack: http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/BackTrack
Wolvix: http://wolvix.org/
xfld: http://www.xfld.org/index.php?id=66&L=5
Slax: http://www.slax.org
MCNL: http://www.mcnlive.org/
CPX mini: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~bading/cpx-mini/

BR
zikarus

Recommendations

I was wondering if any of your recommendations have the following characteristics:

1. not need to create a partition on my portable HD.
2. be able to run as VM (qemu or whatever else)(at work).
3. be able to boot from my portable HD (at home)
4. be able to save my changes/settings.
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Teen1: Oh, here comes that cannonball guy. He's cool.
Teen2: Are you being sarcastic, dude?
Teen1: I don't even know anymore.

"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on." -- Robert Frost
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: baby ain't mine." -- Adam Holguin

Check out Slax Kill Bill

Check out Slax Kill Bill Edition - not sure about 3. (ext. USB HDD) though...

Backtrack 2 beta has Wine included (too); qemu might be in the final...

Is there a way to make a

Is there a way to make a floppy that will boot a Linux distro that isn't designed to be bootable from USB?

Vintage!

I think so

Can't find it at the moment though.
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Ryan McCue
Cube Games
People who didn't need people needed people around to know that they were
the kind of people who didn't need people.
(Maskerade)

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Grub on a Floppy!

Is there a way to make a floppy that will boot a Linux distro that isn't designed to be bootable from USB?

Yes.. The easiest way is during the install process. With the two I've worked with (RedHat 7, Fedora 4), You will be offered where to place the bootloader, just pick a floppy.

I've used the floppy boot with RedHat due to three OS installed on one box. With Fedora, I use Grub to boot with and pick which OS I want, Fedora or XP, could even do more OS.

You can do it after the install... but lots harder and not enough room here to say it..

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

Cool! I will try that this

Cool!

I will try that this morning (it's 1am which is technically morning).

Vintage!

I was going to install

I was going to install Fedora Core 6, but the installer will only install GRUB to /dev/hda/.
I tried downloading GRUB from the official site, but there isn't enough room on the floppy, and I don't know which files I can delete safely. Could you email me the contents of your floppy?

bahamut (at) madhatt (dot) com

Vintage!

Grub on a floppy!

Could you email me the contents of your floppy?

Fedora sets itself up to the box it's installed on, so my disk more then likely wont work on your box. Plus the file is formated in ext2 so windozs wont see it. The Fedora Forum would be a better place for info, think I may have found this there some time back, but here is the long version.. Fedora needs to be installed first.

Log in as root user,

next you will need to format a floppy disk:

fdformat /dev/fd0
mke2fs /dev/fd0

Now Mount the disk:

mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

Install grub to the disk:

grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/floppy '(fd0)'

Copy your grub.conf file to the disk:

cp /boot/grub/grub.conf /mnt/floppy/boot/grub/grub.conf

Now unmount the floppy and you're done. The disk will act like any boot disk. You may have to work the grub.conf file a bit to get it to work right. I had to due to my duel boot drives.

Files needed are; device.map grub.conf splash.xpm.gz stage1 stage2
All others can be deleted if you are running out of space.

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

This would require having

This would require having FC6 installed on /dev/hda2/, but I will use FC6 on /dev/sda2/. Would I need to modify grub.conf, and if so, what would I change?
I think I'll head over to the FC forums and ask there too.

Vintage!

grub.conf

I have FC4 installed on my second HD (hd1), with XP and W98 on my first drive (hd0). With in the grub.conf file it does the work for me. during the boot it places FC4 at hd0,0 and my fat drive at hd1,0. When I pick xp, it drops and gives ntfs bootloader the task. After setting up the bootdisk, I had to tell grub where FC was, so I changed hd0,0 to hd1,0 that's the true drive where FC lives.

I'll have to switch back to FC and try to make a image for ya.

Question... /dev/hda2 are you installing on a partition or on one drive with another OS? If so, then you need to know where the partition is, hd0,(partition) of your boot or root. ie.. 0=first, 1=second, so on..

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

I want FC6 to be on

I want FC6 to be on /dev/sda2/.
sda1 = my main partition with my portable apps and whatever else I need to store (NTFS)
sda2 = where I want FC6 to be (ext3)
sda3 = swap (linux-swap)
I've already made these partitions.

Vintage!

Just check my thoughts, I

Just check my thoughts, I was wrong on the email I sent ya, grub is still looking for a drive. The /dev/sda is where it mounts and has nothing to do with where grub is looking. So for your install, depending on how many drives you have, your USB will be the last drive. Assuming you only have one drive, then your USB will be drive two, hd1,1 (second drive, second partition).

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

Just to make sure... hd0,x =

Just to make sure...
hd0,x = the HD in the box
hd1,x = my external HD (I'd use hd1,1 because FC6 is on /dev/sda2/)
...right?

Ok, I got your email, but it's just an img file. I can't really edit it, at least not in Windows. I'm going to to use a live cd I have somewhere and try a suggestion given from a member at fedoraforom.org.

Vintage!

You need linux to edit it.

I can't really edit it, at least not in Windows.

Nop... You need linux to install it on a floppy disk or the dos rewrite program that came with RedHat install CD's. About the only thing left is to snail mail ya a floppy! Looking at the FC Forum, it's heating up.. As long as you did the install to your drive with Anaconda it should work. I would have to test it by installing it on my HD, but grub can be setup to call to the USB HD, that I did test and it does work.

Yes on HD1,1 The NTFS partition is not visible and shows as unknown, but still maps out. Also, if grub can't find it, press 'e' edit the hd1,1 and then press 'b' to try again. If you mapped it right then grub error message says no operating system.

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

Here's the thread I made on

Here's the thread I made on the Fedora forums.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=704275

Vintage!

I put the answer on the

I put the answer on the Fedora forum.

It does work.

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

partition the drive myself

partition the drive myself as below;
sda1 ext3 boot
sda2 ext3 root
sda3 swap

I need sda1 to stay as-is. It's NTFS and has ~77 billion bytes used, which would be a major pain to back up with USB1.1 ports. Or can I change its partition number so that sda1 would switch with sda2?

Vintage!

Anytime you play with

Anytime you play with partitions you run the chance of massing things up. That's why I unplug my other drives. Install in expert, it will ask where you want to install FC, (remove all partitions, leave existing Linux, leave dos or NTF and so on). Use disk druid and check the box for editing before changes are made. Then you can make sure it all goes where you want it. The boot area doesn't have to be very big.... just large enough for the two images and grub, I did mine at 110MB. The basic partitions are;

ext3 boot
ext3 root
swap Linux swap

You can have more... like one for the user, one for programing and so on.. I did have problems when my drive was setup with LVM, install without letting FC use LVM work best for me.

because this is not going to be bootable, you don't have to put it at sda1 and you can tell grub to install where ever you want. However, there was some talk about the root having to be close to the beginning... When you edit grub.conf file, just tell it where to find the initrd.img and kernel[version].img (hd[drive],[partition])

My grub floppy disk works fine, even boots XP off the floppy. I finely got most of it set up like I had it before, just have to redo my winmodem.

The rescue CD was lots of help... if you don't have it, boot the first CD and type linux rescue at the prompt.

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

So I just need at least 2

So I just need at least 2 ext3 partitions and one linux-swap, and the order doesn't matter as long as grub.conf is edited to boot the right partition, then? I just want to make sure.
If so, would this be correct:
sda1 - NTFS, completely untouched throughout the entire process
sda2 - ext3, FC6 will be installed here (/)
sda3 - linux-swap, swap partition
sda4 - ext3, the images and grub go here (/boot), grub.conf will directed here (hd1,3) (there's one internal HD)
And grub will not be on any master boot record, since the floppy handles booting.

Vintage!

Correct... You may want to

Correct...

You may want to conceder placing /boot at sda2, then root, then swap at the end...

My understanding of disks... that sector 0 is at the center of the disk... the further out you go the higher the sector number, the closer into the center, the faster things load. Shorter trip around the disk I guess...

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Did you know that the entire operating system use to fit on a 5 1/4" floppy disk!

Hello Group; You could try

Hello Group;

You could try out a distrobution called Mepis. It has a feature that will allow you to put your home directory on a USB and then boot up from the live CD.

Then when you get to the boot screen you insert your USB and continue. You can also encrypt this file. It does require you to be able to boot from a CD. But after that you can take your work with you by copying it to the USB.

The live CD uses memory only and writes nothing to you hard drive. The feature is called OnTheGo.

It works real good.

they are also thinking about comeing up with a USB version.

Frank D. Hubeny

I made instructions for Knoppix USB

I made some instructions here, for converting a Knoppix CD so that it runs from a USB key.

http://knoppix.net/wiki/Bootable_USB_Key

Knoppix is a good distro to have on a portable device. It autodetects most hardware.

And, one of the best things about Knoppix is that it comes already compressed on the "CD", to make the best use of space, and never tries to write to the "CD". So, running Knoppix means that it never tries to write anything at all to the USB key, which will greatly prolong its life!

If you do want to write to the USB key, you can optionally make an encrypted home directory on the USB key. Then, you can carry your data with you. There's your portable OS Smiling

Down with U3!

A very nice portable solution...

...is the new Qemu-Puppy 2.13.

http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/qemupuppy/index.html

This Linux can be natively booted from USB as well as be run on a Linux OR a Windows OS right out of the box by default! You just click a Puppy.exe and there you go...

Would be great if the author would apply this to (the upcoming derivate) Muppy 007 too.

I need more room.

I need more room. Eye-wink

I'm so close...

I have GRUB on a floppy working, but it says the disk doesn't exist when I try to load from hd(1,x) (I first tried hd(1,3)). It has no problem booting XP on the internal drive, though.
I have device.map and grub.conf set the correctly according to the post on the FC forums thread. BTW, I installed GRUB to /dev/sda4 (/boot) at my initial installation of FC6 because you said it shouldn't be on any MBR.

but I think I didn't set the initrd image to sleep long enough for my old USB 1.1 hardware
Maybe that's the problem...

Here's a screenshot of GParted showing how my partitions are set up. sda4 has a mount point because that's where I had the puppy save file (I was using Puppy Linux). I formatted the partition when I reinstalled FC6.
http://www.madhatt.com/~bahamut/screenshots/partitions.png

Vintage!

Nice

You still haven't put an index.html in there Eye-wink
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Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

The server-generated HTML

The server-generated HTML page works for me. Eye-wink

Vintage!

Yes, but

we can see all your files Eye-wink
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Ryan McCue
Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Not the ones in the folders

Not the ones in the folders with drwx------ permissions. Eye-wink

Vintage!

Good point

What about that LimewirePro.exe Eye-wink
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Ryan McCue
Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

I forgot to move that back

I forgot to move that back into a 700 folder. Eye-wink

Moved to /install/ and permissions are 700 on both the file and directory.

Vintage!

Damn!

Shouldn't have mentioned it Eye-wink
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Ryan McCue
Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

I can change the permissions

I can change the permissions temporarily if you really want it. Eye-wink

Vintage!

Nah

My system can hardly handle normal Limewire Eye-wink
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Ryan McCue
Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Come

on guys could we stop leaving a wink after every line Eye-wink

Yours

Steve Lamerton

Yeh

I thought the same thing Eye-wink Sticking out tongue
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Ryan McCue
Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

You guys are goofy. ...

You guys are goofy. ...Eye-wink

Vintage!

Me

goofy, never. But as for Ryan ... Eye-wink

Yours

Steve Lamerton

.

*stares evilly (apparently) at Steve then winks* Eye-wink
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Ryan McCue
Person 1: Oh my god. You will never believe what just happened.
Person 2: What?
Person 1: I can't remember, I've forgotten.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Mepis Linux

Hello Group;

Mepis Linux has just released a Beta # 4 of their next release. You can from the CD install a bootable os to a USB drive. I have not tried this out yet but you can not only install to a USB drive and boot up if the PC you use it on supports this. But you can all so install from the USB to a hard drive.

Thelink is:
www.mepis.org

Frank D. Hubeny

Virtual PC

can someone give me a link to download a copy of Virtual PC b/c i use public computers alot and want to use linux on one of them and it wont let me change the boot from thing in BIOS.

Also, why isnt there a Portable Apps OS? That is kinda why I looked at this thread, for news on a Portable Apps OS. It would be a great idea!
-Ummm...

OliverK> you don't live on a cow
IRC: It brings out the best in all of us...Especially when tired.

Haha.

Little lazy? Here's the 2007 version.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=04D26402-3199-4...

What OS you planning to run in it? Like, what distro?

But I don't understand, you're planning to install a virtual OS on a public computer? :S

oh

i was going to try to install it to my portable drive and use it from that. it works with some other programs. I see that it wont with this though, thanks anyway!
-Ummm...

OliverK> you don't live on a cow
IRC: It brings out the best in all of us...Especially when tired.