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Formatting?

Hi everyone,
I'm new to this and have a flash drive Setup question.My drive came formatted with FAT.Is it a good idea to reformat it with FAT32 if I want to run PFF and other P-apps.Also,I notice I do not have the NTSC formatting option for my flash drive in the right click-> format menu in Windows XP.Can I format a flash drive with NTSC and would that be preferred?Thanks much : )

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Formatting USB drives in NTFS

It's true, Windows doesn't allow you to format a USB drive with NTFS, but pick the cluster size you want, then pick "Fat32" as your file system. Then run convert via command line. I've done it a number of times, and even with data on it, the conversion doesn't affect the data. All the security and other features that NTFS has that FAT doesn't apply to the USB drive. It's been the only way I've been able to get my USB drive to NTFS. Note that an NTFS drive won't easily be readable by older Windows OSs, which doesn't make it an ideal file system for emergancy kits and the like.

Here's Microsoft's article on the "convert" command (direct copy from the help file, Windows XP Professional, SP2):

Syntax
convert [volume] /fs:ntfs [/v] [/cvtarea:FileName] [/nosecurity] [/x]

Parameters
volume
Specifies the drive letter (followed by a colon), mount point, or volume name to convert to NTFS.
/fs:ntfs
Required. Converts the volume to NTFS.
/v
Specifies verbose mode, that is, all messages will be displayed during conversion.
/cvtarea:FileName
For advanced users only. Specifies that the Master File Table (MFT) and other NTFS metadata files are written to an existing, contiguous placeholder file. This file must be in the root directory of the file system to be converted. Use of the /CVTAREA parameter can result in a less fragmented file system after conversion. For best results, the size of this file should be 1 KB multiplied by the number of files and directories in the file system, however, the convert utility accepts files of any size.
For more information about using the /cvtarea parameter, see "File Systems" at the Microsoft Windows XP Resource Kits Web site.(http://www.microsoft.com/)

Important

You must create the placeholder file using the fsutil file createnew command prior to running convert. Convert does not create this file for you. Convert overwrites this file with NTFS metadata. After conversion, any unused space in this file is freed. For more information about the fsutil file command, see Related Topics.
/nosecurity
Specifies that the converted files and directory security settings are accessible by everyone.
/x
Dismounts the volume, if necessary, before it is converted. Any open handles to the volume will no longer be valid.
Remarks
You must specify that the drive should be converted when the computer is restarted. Otherwise, you cannot convert the current drive.
If convert cannot lock the drive (for example, the system volume or the current drive), it offers to convert the drive the next time the computer restarts.
The location of the MFT is different on volumes that have been converted from previous version of NTFS, so volume performance might not be as good on volumes converted from Windows NT.
Volumes converted from FAT to NTFS lack some performance benefits compared to volumes initially formatted with NTFS. On converted volumes, the MFT might become fragmented. In addition, on converted boot volumes, NTFS permissions are not applied after the volume is converted.
Examples
To convert the volume on drive E to NTFS and display all messages, type:

convert e: /fs:ntfs /v

I believe that it works on Windows 2000, NT, and other Windows OSs that use NTFS as their native file system. Good luck!

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Formatting USB drives in NTFS

Hello,

there is an easier way to Format your USB drive with NTFS.

Just go to the DeviceManager->DiskDrives and open the properties dialog of your specific USB Drive. Go to Tab _Policies_ and set the radio button to "Optimize for performance" instead of "Optimize for quick removal".

After that done, you are able to format your USB drive with NTFS. _BUT_ only via the Context Menu of a file explorer like Windows Explorer! It is _NOT_ possible to do that via Computer Management->Disk Management.

I hope that helps.

regards
Shufflebug

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I just tried this with an SD card

Now *I don't know* if these sorts of devices read diffeent to a "proper" USB flash drive, but I never had a "Policies" tab within properties.

So...
Is there anything else you have to enable within XP (like simple filesharing off) or something to make this work, or is it simply because I used a SD Card rather than a Flash drive?

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It's there.

It's there. The road to get there is a bit long, though. There's no Policies tab directly under Properties.

Right-click drive -> Properties -> Hardware -> double-click device name -> Policies -> Optimize for performance.

Note that if you're not using Windows 2000 or XP, this tab isn't there. It doesn't matter though, because 95/98/Me don't support NTFS, anyway.

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mmmm

yes it is, but I have numerous entries there, and no easy way to see which is which

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/techguyone/choices.png

surely there must be something else to let you format NTFS without the guesswork. Some sort of script where you just tell it the drive letter and it formats.

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Won't work. Even running FORMAT from a command line won't work given NTFS unless this setting is turned on. You said it's your SD card, so the one you're probably looking for is "Generic USB SD Reader USB Device." Pretty self-explanatory. If it helps, I've found that the Hardware list is typically sorted by type (hard drives, CD-ROM/DVD drives, etc.), and each type is then sorted by drive letter. Something like the following...

HDD or Removable C:
HDD or Removable D:
HDD or Removable G:
HDD or Removable H:
HDD or Removable I:
Floppy Disk A:
Floppy Disk B:
CD/DVD E:
CD/DVD F:

With that information, it should be pretty easy to figure out which is which.

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IT LEVES SCURITY WHEN U DO

IT LEVES SCURITY WHEN U DO IT IN THE WINDOWS EXPLORER RESULTING IN NOT BEING ABLE TO USE IT IN OTHER COMPS

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There is really...

No need to 'shout', as this certainly is not an irreversable operation. Please do not use caps. If you must emphasize a point, only stress the ONE word. Or, use the forum code: <em></em>

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Sry......... i dont pay

Sry......... i dont pay attention to when i type.............. i dident notice it

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No...

Worries, then. Smile

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Take a FAT32-formatted drive and do convert x: /fs:NTFS /NoSecurity (where x is the letter of your drive). Simple.

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