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Openoffice 3.2.1 Portable ?

When a new version of Open Office (3.2.1) coming in portable?

http://www.openoffice.org/news/

UPDATE:

Now I ask a new question.

When Libreoffice comes in portable?

I hope that it will coming soon Smile

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Its done when the work is finished ...

... cause we have to add some changes like a new splash screen and icons because of the changes in OpenOffice.org caused by the new main sponsor Oracle.

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It's a bug fix release, and I

It's a bug fix release, and I found almost all of the SUN products are now under Oracle. The VirtualBox, OOo, anything else?

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I run Secunia PSI and it's

I run Secunia PSI and it's reporting I need to update OO to 3.2.1 as 3.2.0 has security issues.

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Wait

You have to wait until Oracle signs off on a portable package with their trademarks included. Other repackages of OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 are, in fact, illegal. We're pretty much the only portable software site that won't go down that road.

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This is where I get confused

Now I'm not a lawyer, but it feels like the concept of open source is getting more restricted by little loopholes like this.
It's redistributable, but it isn't, because you need permission from Oracle? Is it because Oracle has dropped their TM into the app like a poison pill? Are we seeing the future of open source, where devs slowly close off free and open use of apps by adding tiny non-distributable bits into it?

It's giving me flashbacks to my job in QA where projects ground down to a halt because some obscure and poorly written reg required the signature of a disinterested middle manager who had no involvement or interest in the project.
Does Oracle even care enough to make the effort to sign off on a portable package?

I know there's likely nothing you can do about it, I'm just saying it's kind of depressing to me.

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OpenOffice.org™ is a trademark of Oracle®, which is a registered trademark. Both of these are part of OpenOffice.org, though the OpenOffice.org one is probably the one to be more concerned with since it's on more than the splash (it's the name of the app itself). You can redistribute it just fine. And you can open up the source and mess with it and create your own version with your own name. But, from a legal standpoint, modifying it and keeping the name can go either way. Technically, it's illegal, since you're using someone's trademark in a way you don't have permission to.

Lots of things are trademarked. Mozilla, Firefox, OpenOffice.org, AbiWord, Debian, Ubuntu, Windows, etc. Some entities are much freer with the use of the trademark and will let you use it on modified versions of their software. Some are not. Some require you to get permission, which we do (see Mozilla Firefox, etc). Some are fine with it as long as you keep certain things intact but like it when you double-check with them (see AbiWord, etc).

Oracle bought Sun, so now products that were owned by one corporation are owned and branded by another. So, to keep things on the up and up, we're ensuring that the new corporate parents are happy with what we're doing.

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Why utilize the trademarks?

As a point of discussion (not pushing the Oracle rope -OR- OOP policy decisions):

If I understand this correctly, "You have to wait until Oracle signs off on a portable package with their trademarks included,"

...it sounds like a simple choice:

You can either use the trademarked items (OpenOffice.org name, Oracle logo, etc.) or skip them. That makes perfect sense because those trademarks imply a certain product and might cause some corporate liabilities (backlash).

And I understand these trademarks actually require additional efforts to circumvent. But does the name "OpenOfficePortable" requires special permission to use; is it too close to the "OpenOffice.org" trademarked name? Otherwise, does OOP 3.2.1 need to display the OpenOffice.org logo or Oracle logo for any reason? If we're not talking code, then we're simply talking splash names, logos, and perhaps icons?

Again, not pushing for illegal activities or policy change...just wondering.

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The point that you're missing

is that it would mean that the devs here would have to actually go through the entire OpenOffice.org codebase, removing any and all trademarked references, or copyrighted images, or images with trademarks on them, including all the themes, skins, clipart, help text... everything. But they'd have to be careful not to remove the attribution ones, just the ones identifying the product.

Then they'd have to rebuild the source to produce a wholly new, untested binary, which someone would have to extensively test both for regressions and for missed trademarks, before finally accepting it for release.

And then.... they'd have to handle absolutely all of the support issues with it, since it would no longer be OOo, and anyone with a problem who raised it at the OOo forums would be told, quite correctly, that there was no way OOo could help them, since they were running a different fork of the project.

And they'd have to repeat this for each and every new version of OOo.

This is why the entire PortableApps ethos is to never modify the upstream source, but merely to wrap it in a launcher.

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Release the latest version immediately.

Openoffice.org portable version is very useful so please release the latest version.

I like the portable openoffice.org.

Thank you (to all the users and portable apps developer family) for the continous support.

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Not PortableApps.com's Fault

I appreciate English may not be your first language but the title of your post comes across as being incredibly rude. You should be aware that the delay in releasing OpenOffice is not the fault of PortableApps.com. They are waiting on Oracle, who now owns Sun (the company that develops OpenOffice), to give permission to release OpenOffice. I repeat, PortableApps.com needs permission from Oracle to release OpenOfficePortable. We all must wait.

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We Stay Legal Here

To release a repackaged version of OpenOffice.org with their trademarks intact without their express permission would be illegal. Unlike other portable software sites, we only do legal software here.

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3.2.1 needed!!

I need the bug fixes of 3.2.1 concerning handling of embedded calc tables in Writer files!! So - please....

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right then...

sooo...

seeing as its been a while... im guessing its not going to happen... great...

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Read the thread above

This is with Oracle's legal department. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that they will reject it, but, as will all big companies, their legal department will move at a pace that they choose, and will announce their decision when, and only when, they are ready to do so.

This might be tomorrow, or it might still take them weeks or months.

Whoever is handling it from the PApps side may have a better feel for the timeline, or not, but even if they do, they may have been advised not to discuss the details until Oracle have reached a decision, legal departments can be like that *sigh*.

Most likely, noone knows when, or they would have said, but most likely, it will happen, and after the first time the agreement and approvals have been sorted, future updates will probably be back to their normal schedule.

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Are we there yet?

Soon. It's a fairly safe bet that letting some piddly little website (no offense PA.c) redistribute your software as a portable package is pretty low down there on the priority list. In fact, I'd go so far as to venture it's about as low down on the priority list as you can get. Such is life. They'll get to it eventually.

Perhaps if enough people politely request that Oracle bump it up their priority list then they might realize that they have a bigger audience than they think they do. Just a thought.

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OpenOffice.org Portable has millions of users and has been promoted on the main OpenOffice.org website. The transition to Oracle means a few different folks are running the marketing and branding now, so it takes some time to work the proper channels. We'll get there.

Who knows, now that they seem to be watching the brand more, maybe we can get them to cease & desist the illegal uses of the trademark.

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openoffice?

is it true that new openoffice version is coming on week 31? (the first week of august).

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nope...

its not... infact i dont think its coming at all... considering that Oracle just sued Google for Java use in Android, I really dont think they give 2 shits about OpenOffice, ESPECIALLY its use by PortableApps.com

so in few words, dont expect OpenOfficePortable anytime soon, and if they do get approval, somehow I dont think it will be this year even... we can always hope... but hope brings nothing and action isnt free...

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Perhaps...

perhaps sometime after the stable version of OOo 3.3 comes out? OOo has the 3.3 beta out already (aww, man!).

I guess only time and Oracle's legal department will tell...

I'm tired of people living in their fantasy world when the clock is ticking away, and when they are unable to see reality for what it is.

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Should we be worried about Oracle?

I'm generally not a sky-is-falling kind of guy, but I've never been trusting of the altruistic nature of gigantoid corporations, especially not Oracle.

What I have seen is plenty of times when a large organization buys a great product and then either buries it or puts it out of reach of most normal people.

(Anyone remember CoolEdit? An amazing shareware app that 10 years ago surpassed the Audacity of now. Adobe bought it, changed the name to Audition, did little else and slapped a multi-hundred-dollar pricetag on it).

Oracle's #1 priority is Oracle. While I see little benefit to them to continue the FOSS version of OOo, there's a goldmine there if they can commercialize it.

Then there's articles like this:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Oracle-Suit-Against-Andro...

and this:
http://www.itworld.com/open-source/117500/time-openofficeorg-foundation

I would love it if Oracle suddenly showed a beneficent face for this and kept OOo as FOSS for all time, but it's more likely that in a few years we'll look back at this time and sigh sadly.

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Higher Discussions

We're currently engaged in higher-level discussions with the necessary folks on the team and at the company. We should have it resolved soon. And we'll be able to continue to bring a legal OpenOffice.org for portable use.

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really you do legal programs?
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Your Point?

What is your point? The thread you link to is talking about another site, not in any way related to PortableApps, which does do illegal software. I repeat, the site in the other thread (link since removed) rips off PortableApps and engages in illegal activity but it is nothing to do with PortableApps.com

I think you have misunderstood the other thread.

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Here's a stunning idea!!

Remember the idea of a Go-oo Office Portable ( https://portableapps.com/node/13745 ), an idea that you guys immediately shot down because you thought it was pointless?

Go-oo is not tied under the trademark restrictions that OpenOffice.org, and it practice it runs and works better than OpenOffice.org on Windows. Furthermore, many MAJOR GNU+Linux distributions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go-oo#History ) use Go-oo patches on their primary "OpenOffice.org" releases, thus proving that this is not "just another OpenOffice derivative" as was stated by an uninformed person in the previous thread. Finally, Go-oo is also well-supported and maintained.

But of course, we should totally dismiss the idea on the grounds that it would not only completely solve the current problem but also prove to be a great improvement in terms of technical and legal matters as well. Instead, please continue to wait patiently for Oracle while OpenOffice.org Portable becomes increasingly outdated.

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Here's a better idea!!

Try posting your ideas without being an ass about it Sad

Your suggestions might be taken to heart if they were not couched in sarcasm.

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Sorry...

I'm not usually a dick like that. My mood has since improved. I apologize for the overly-sarcastic tone of that post.

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Trademark Issues

Actually, Go-OO is currently branded as OpenOffice.org in the app itself without Oracle's permission. I'd wager this will be changing in the near future.

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Hmm... is this still the case

Hmm... is this still the case with 3.2.1? I would have thought that any trademark issues would have been solved by the time Go-Oo 3.2.1 came out (which it has).

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good bye openoffice.org portable

Go-oo follows explicit discussion on openoffice.org mailling lists so they have all legal issues OK. And the reason why openoffice.org portable 3.2.1 isn't yet out, in mho is that you were denied.

You just don't announce that to keep the site rating from falling down.

So, i don't think any newer versions of this app will be out.

Oto

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Do you have a link?

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Thanks for your contribution

Great inflammatory post!

Even if it were true, that would be a poor decision on the part of Oracle, not a bad reflection on PortableApps. PortableApps' decision to remain above board and fully legal should be applauded not derided.

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Actually

Actually, as of last week, we're now in direct discussions with Oracle's managing counsel for trademark and related issues around expediting the issue (as well as several other internal Oracle contacts). It shouldn't be too much longer at this point and we'll be able to offer the first (and only, I believe) legal OpenOffice.org Portable 3.2.1 package.

Regarding Go-oo's trademark status, I don't have any specific internal knowledge. I just know that obtaining permission for trademarks is very different under Oracle than it was under Sun and different people are involved now (meaning that mailing lists are probably not the proper place to get full permissions any longer). My post was simply speculation based on my view of the new environment.

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Good to hear

Especially for corporate pessimists like myself. I thought it was bye bye birdie for OO.org.Thanks for continually pursuing the objective when others (myself very much included) were writing future OO.org Portable releases off as unlikely.

Keep up the good work Smile

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Last informations about the future of OpenOffice.org

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I have a feeling

that this is good news!

.. and that visits to lawyers' offices maybe a thing of the past. I hope I'm right in thinking that JH and the PA team will welcome this event.

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Great news!

Although their provisional name is kind of klunky.
Is it pronounced "Lee Broffiss"?
"Leebray Offichay"?
"Lee Offee"?

If it's going to be a Free and Libre Office suite, maybe they should call it "Floffice"...

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Hmmm... If Oracle displays

Hmmm... If Oracle displays largesse, it may revert to OpenOffice.org!

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A Hole

As long as they don't call it Ora-fice, or worse OpenOraFice... that'd be a marketing ploy gone awry. Shock

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LMFAO!!

Hee hee!

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