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Daemon Tools Again

Well we have discussed creating a disk image mounter. That can be placed on a external drive. We have also found the problem being Daemon Tools (and other programs) need to create registry file or something similar. I have two proposals.
Proposal 1: Simple might not work though
Creating a simple script that when the application is launched it will check to see if the appropriate files are there. "But what about removing the file when it is done?" Shut up I'll get to it. Ok. Doesn't Windows have a start up folder where programs can be place then they are automatically executed. Copy a program that when the computer reboots it will automatically remove the registry. Ta-da.
Proposal 2: Bit more complicated to make and install better chance of working
This would be making a separate partition that can be mapped to the iso. Idk how this would work. If anyone know please post.

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Admin Only

As this would be admin only, I don't know if it would be especially useful as a general release.

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Is there anyway to prompt for

Is there anyway to prompt for a admin password. Because xp and vista have Run as... options.

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So what ?? Either you are admin or you are not ..
How is it supposed to help a non-admin that windows has a "run as.." feature ????
Besides, Deamon isn't Open Source .

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Ok so solution one has been

Ok so proposal one has been ruled out. But what about proposal two.

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you can rule that one out, too

You are suggesting that there could be an extra partition "reserved" for your software to map as the iso image.

Under windows, only something that Windows thinks is a CD-ROM drive can "look like" a CD to applications.

The only way to change this behaviour is to install a driver that can make something else appear to be a CD drive. This requires administrator rights on the PC.

It doesn't matter how you word it, or get around it. To look like a CD, windows need to think it is a CD. That means either the physical hardware says it is a CD drive, or there is a driver that make it look that way.

Oh, and even if you could make a partition look like a CD (the way U3 does), you'd then need to be the administrator to be able to write the new data of the iso image to it. Windows restricts device-level access to administrators.

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I disagree. I'm at work right

I disagree. I'm at work right now so I can't give you alot of details. But at home i have a 500GB external HDD. It came with a partition that looks like a CD and runs like a CD. I think it's called Nomad. Also I'm not talking about writing new data to that partition, just like a bouncing partition that can be mapped to an iso.

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Sorry, you've lost me there....

First of all, the drive that you have that has a partition that appears like a CD - perfectly doable with a special usb controlled device. I have a stack of flash USB sticks here, some that are U3 (which does this trick) and some that I happen to also have the configuration software for, which means that I can create a 700MB 'CD' partition on, and stick any disk image I like there. However, I cannot change what data is on that partition without having administrator rights.

Partitioning means a number of different things.

Within a device that windows sees as a single mass-storage device partitions are a way of splitting up the one large set of sectors on the device into several smaller contiguous groups, which can each be handled as separate drives.

It can also, in the context here mean that a flash controller is partitioning the device itself, and presenting windows with the appearance that there are actually several separate devices plugged in. This is how the CD trick as used by flash drives and custom-hardware external disks works. (it is also now being used by quite a few other USB devices so that they can ship their drivers -in- the product to install on first insertion.)

What a partition is not is some fuzzy label that you can dynamically point at an iso file which is stored elsewhere on some other mass-storage device. Unless, of course, you use a software driver that appears like a CD drive but pulls its data from a file, but that would need administrator access.

If your nomad is a drive from Nomadapps.com then they describe them as being "hybrid devices" which rather suggests that the CD partition could well be flash, and not a partition of the HDD at all, but since neither their forums or their support pages are online at the moment, I can't check this.

What exactly do you mean by "a bouncing partition"?

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For your informations,

For your informations, anything that requires the mapping of a drive letter (except network drives) and the use of a filesystem filter driver in Windows requires administrative privileges.

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Ok What I meant was exactly

Ok What I meant was exactly what you had said. An Iso partition that would pull info from a file some ware else.

"Unless, of course, you use a [partition] that appears like a CD drive but pulls its data from a file"

I just called it a bouncing partition. (Fun name isn't it)
Also that program might not really be of help to us cause you still have to install drivers only you do it manually by copy and paste but you still need admin rights and it's a pain.

I don't know how to explain it differently does anyone get what I'm going for.

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We get what you are going for

it just cannot be done without admin rights

What I/we don't get is what it is that you are suggesting that might somehow get around the admin rights requirement. I really do hope that you are right and that I am missing something, as I would love to be able to do this myself.

But, simply put, there is no way to get an iso file to appear as a drive letter without needing admin rights at some stage in the process.

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hmmm...

What if their is a program out there that made the ISO files turn into their own EXE Files.
http://askville.amazon.com/create-self-executing-ISO-burn-dvd-exe-zip-re...

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He's not asking how to burn them

he wants them to appear as virtual drive letters, so it seems that the CD has been inserted, not burn them on the fly and then physically insert them.

Interesting idea though.

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Since you guys are so

Since you guys are so hellbent on ruining my ideas lol
What about changing the program requirements a bit. Lets make a Pseudo-Explorer. Like a disk manager. It will allow you to decompile iso (and other disk files) like if you right clicked the drive and clicked explore. Also it would have and auto run option if that iso files has and autorun file in its root. What would be even better is if we could integrate it with VLC portable for DVD iso's.

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Actually VLC supports opening

Actually VLC supports opening DVD iso files.

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only the Video files but not

only the Video files but not Data DVD's.

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7-Zip

Since you can't mount a drive without admin rights, the most you'll be able to do with something is open the ISO and pull files out of it. And 7-Zip Portable can do that right now Smile

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I don't know if this is what you are looking for exactly....

I don't know if you are really wanting to use Daemon Tools, or just mount an iso image but after doing my own little research for an iso USB mounter I found this... http://weblogs.asp.net/pleloup/archive/2004/01/15/58918.aspx

I downloaded it and it worked for me. Just remember to install the driver before mounting the iso. (Driver Control button)

edit: It only works with CD images. Anything over 700MB does not work. Also, I have not tried this on a computer locked out of administrator but I think it should work since it doesn't have to install anything onto the C: drive.

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the driver install still

the driver install still needs administrative privileges.

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I install the driver from the

I install the driver from the usb, not from the C: drive. Tried it on a school computer that doesn't have admin privilages and it worked for me.

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they might have DEEP FREEZE

they might have DEEP FREEZE installed and all your work will dissapear when the computer reboots. if that doesnt happen for you it might for someone else.

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