You are here

PA.c FAQ Part I Beta Release 2

20 posts / 0 new
Last post
NathanJ79
NathanJ79's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 10 months ago
Joined: 2007-07-31 15:07
PA.c FAQ Part I Beta Release 2

A few months back (maybe more?) someone suggested, for all I type, I ought to make a PortableApps.com FAQ. I have been working on one off and on, and I intend for it to be in 2 parts. The first part is/will be an overview of PA.c and portable applications in general. The second part will focus on using them, backing them up, common problems, using non-PA.c apps, etc.

I've got a first draft for the first part, and I'm posting it in Beta Testing because... well... it's a beta. It's definitely not ready for prime time, but I'd like to get input on what I can trim, what should be added, and what needs to be clarified more. If you have general suggestions, that's great, or if you'd like to quote part and just rewrite it, if others like it and it looks good I'll just throw it in.

Release Notes: 2009-12-27 PA.c FAQ Part I Beta 2
* Removed italics
* Changed instances of WINE to Wine
* Removed references to Windows ME
* Clarified PortableApps compatibility
* Changed a "100%" to "absolutely"
* Updated to mention live installers

2009-12-20 (Initial release of Part I)

==========================================

Welcome to the PortableApps.com FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions). In honor of the upcoming 2.0 stable build, we've put together some questions people have either asked or might be inclined to ask, and their answers in order to better welcome new members and to re-familiarize old friends with what this project is all about.

Overview

1. What is PortableApps.com and just what are portable applications?
PortableApps.com is a project dedicated to promoting portable applications. Portable applications are software applications which are designed to be used without installation. You can install them on a USB flash drive, portable hard drive, iPod, cell phone, PSP, memory card, or just about any device that can store files. These applications will work the same on just about any computer you run them on. You can even use portable applications on your local PC if you reformat your computer and reinstall Windows often (e.g. if you test operating systems). Rounding out the portable solution is the PortableApps.com Platform, a menu reminiscent of the Windows Start Menu, which launches the apps.

2. But why would I want portable apps?
If you just use one computer, and you never use another, you may not want to. If you use computers at work and/or school, you might want to use software not provided on the machine, such as a better web browser, a media player, or a game. If you use a friend's computer, you may not want to interrupt their email and social networking sessions to log in to your own. You may have a video or sound clip, or a document that you want to share, but you don't know if their computer can play it or read it. If a portable app works on your computer, it will work on other computers.

3. What computers can I run portable apps on?
All PCs running Microsoft Windows should be able to run portable apps. Support for Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 is the primary focus, but Windows 98 and Windows 2000 should be able to run them as well. You can check each application's compatibility on its page. (Windows 95 predates and therefore did not support USB.) Linux users running Wine can run some PortableApps as well, but should be advised they will be running Win32 code, not native Linux apps, which carries certain consequences -- and while Wine compatibility is a goal, some won't work. Mac compatibility is sketchy and is done through a Mac (x86) port of Wine called Darwine. Instructions for setting that up on your own machine can be found here, but even if you do that at home, do not expect a Mac in the wild to support it. Consult the following table (which is in need of an update) for compatibility information.

4. Who is behind PortableApps.com? Can I help?
PortableApps.com is an open community of developers, testers, and fans. It was started by John T. Haller, who started with Portable Firefox way back in 2004, before Firefox 1.0, and before U3 (more on that in a bit). Since then, over three dozen applications have been portablized* by the community. Anybody can help by donating, as the entire PortableApps project costs more to run than it earns. Anybody can also help by telling their friends about PortableApps.com. Buy a cheap flash drive or two, load it up with the PortableApps.com Platform and a bunch of apps you think someone will like, and give it as a gift. Anybody with a little bit of computer know-how can test portable applications -- just head to the Beta Testing forum, pick something you like, and report any problems you have with it. The more people who test apps, the quicker they can be pushed out as official releases. If you really want to get your feet wet, and you know a bit about programming, head over to the Requests forum, and attempt to make an app portable.

*We know portablize isn't a word, but we use it to describe the act of making an app portable.

5. Just how portable is portable, anyway?
Many software developers define an app as portable if you can stick it on a flash drive and use it on any computer. PortableApps.com stipulates that it must not leave any personal information behind. All PortableApps.com applications feature a launcher which calls the actual program. This launcher sets up an environment for the application to run in, and when you close the application, cleans up after it.

6. What is/was U3?
U3 was an attempt by SanDisk to do what the PortableApps.com Platform does, and it mostly failed. Only specially-made flash drives could even use it -- U3 absolutely did not work on standard flash drives or other portable devices. U3 fooled computers into thinking it came with a read-only CD-ROM drive, where the applications were stored. This protected them for the most part, and was a feature standard flash drives lacked. U3-compatible portable applications are still out there, and only work on U3 devices with the U3 Launchpad software. They do not work with the PortableApps.com Platform, though many applications made available for U3 are also available in the PortableApps.com Format. Very few programs for U3 are current. Official PortableApps.com applications are released the same day to up to a week later than the release of the official, installable build.

7. Who are all these other players (R34, geek.menu, and others)?
PAM MOD R34 is a fork of the old PortableApps.com Menu 1.1 which adds a boatload of features such as categories, the ability to rename and hide apps, and change the folders (e.g. Documents, Videos). This fork comes in the form of a patch which overwrites your menu. There is a new version of the patch, but all it does is patch the new menu, 1.5.2 -- it is not a new version of R34 at all.

geek.menu is another fork that adds categories, but its primary selling point is its inclusion of TrueCrypt, which will encrypt your drive, but you can only decrypt it in computers which give admin access, so you probably can't use it at work or school.

PortableApps.com cannot officially recommend either of these forks, but many users enjoy them. Just know they are not supported by PortableApps.com and asking for help for them is generally frowned upon.

Asuite, Pstart, and Appetizer are not forks at all. They are "competing" menu systems that do things a little differently. While we passionately recommend the PortableApps.com Platform for launching portable apps, these and others like them are generally fine. Experiment, see what works for you, but we hope you will find the PortableApps.com Platform best serves your needs.

Then there are portable app sites which portablize freeware and even commercial software illegally, and offer modified versions of open source projects, minus the source, and with their name (or something like PLUS) plastered all over them. Since these sites willfully break the law and violate the rights of others, we tend to frown upon their mention. If you discover such a site, discuss it at your own risk, but never post links. If you make use of their services, we definitely do not want to hear about it.

8. Can I really use portable apps at work/school? Will that get me into trouble?
It is not the intention of PortableApps.com for you to do anything contrary to any network agreement you've signed at work or school to limit your activities, and furthermore take no responsibility for any actions you take to stray from such an agreement.

That being said, many schools and employers which allow you to use their computers do not forbid running software from a portable device, although there is a growing trend to disallow this, particularly in highly-sensitive (e.g. military and government) environments. If you are doing any kind of top-secret work, it is likely that your employer will frown upon you having a flash drive in the first place. However, while most educational and corporate environments prefer that you do not install software on their machines, many IT departments are hip to portable applications and smile upon them favorably. There are those who do not, however, so it is best to ask if in doubt.

9. Is it safe to use portable apps in the wild?
PortableApps.com apps, again, do not leave personal information behind, but the host computer will keep a record of software that has run. The administrator will be able to go behind you and see what programs you have run, and PortableApps.com launchers do not cover these digital footprints. With a program like CCleaner or CleanAfterMe, you can do exactly that. However, be advised that in any case, if you digitally access another computer you do not have physical access to, or the Internet, these logs may be kept. Modern web browsers encrypt your login and password when you log into a site, but the local machine could have a keylogger on it. Also, if the computer has a virus, there is a chance your applications can become infected. PortableApps.com does offer a spyware remover and an antivirus program, but neither features the kind of on-access scanner you need to stop these threats before they occur. If you run portable apps in the wild and at home, you should have an on-access virus scanner to check your flash drive before it has a chance to potentially infect your system.

10. Just how legal is all of this?
Originally, PortableApps.com focused only on open source software with a license approved by the Open Source Initiative (OSI). Open source software is, by nature and intent, legal to modify and redistribute. Recently, PortableApps.com has begun supporting freeware as well. Despite its name, freeware typically means free to use, but not to modify or redistribute. Rest assured that every non-open source freeware application on PortableApps.com is legal. Every freeware app's author has given the portable version their blessing. Many host the portable version themselves. Some enthusiastically sought partnership with PortableApps.com. But not one has any grievance with PortableApps.com. If PortableApps.com can't make contact with and secure permission, the app is not released, but rather, a "live installer" is released, which will download the application from the author's page and configure it on-the-fly for portability.

There are other sites out there that make portable apps, and not all are legal -- in fact, most are not. PortableApps.com only uses the one site (and hosts with SourceForge.net, where it holds an account). Any site claiming affiliation, e.g. by using the name or logo, perhaps slightly altered, is doing so without permission, authorization, or endorsement from PortableApps.com. Also, if you see a site offering portable variants of high-profile software (e.g. Microsoft Office or Adobe Photoshop) you can be absolutely certain that they are illegal. There are a few commercial programs out there that do use the PortableApps.com Format, and if they are offered by the author, they are legal.

11. Great! How do I get started?
First, download the PortableApps.com Platform. You can download a full suite, a light suite (OpenOffice.org office suite removed and replaced with a word processor, AbiWord), or the Platform by itself. The applications in the suite are not kept up-to-date, however, so if staying current is a concern, just get the Platform by itself and pick out the apps you want. The current stable version will always be offered on the application's page. (Sometimes, such as in the case of Audacity, the latest beta is preferable, and you can get help in the forums for running the latest beta.) If you want to stay on top of updates, you can follow @PortableApps on Twitter or become a fan of PortableApps.com on Facebook. In the not-too-distant future, it is our hope that you will be able to purchase flash drives pre-loaded with the PortableApps.com Suite.

==========================================

OliverK
OliverK's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 years 6 months ago
Developer
Joined: 2007-03-27 15:21
Can I suggest not using

Can I suggest not using italics for everything? The italics make it hard for me to read Sad

Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world

digitxp
digitxp's picture
Offline
Last seen: 13 years 3 months ago
Joined: 2007-11-03 18:33
Quite Nice

One more reason for a wiki ;).
Two things to note however. The way it's written, I felt relieved to be around a while. I don't think 82% of users will be able to read this without going throug 6 months of forum archives.
Also, you forgot the classic: "Can I make so-and-so portable?" Blum
Good luck.

Insert original signature here with Greasemonkey Script.

OliverK
OliverK's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 years 6 months ago
Developer
Joined: 2007-03-27 15:21
"Can I make so-and-so

"Can I make so-and-so portable?" Sticking out tongue

So and So is a tradmark of So and So Software Syndicate. You may try Such and Such which is a open-source alternative.
Blum
*Note to self: Improve Jokes Smile

Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world

digitxp
digitxp's picture
Offline
Last seen: 13 years 3 months ago
Joined: 2007-11-03 18:33
Portablize

I submitted portablize to the urban dictionary :).
[Edit] It got rejected. Sad

Insert original signature here with Greasemonkey Script.

gluxon
gluxon's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 3 months ago
Developer
Joined: 2008-06-21 19:26
This is wonderful!!! Great

This is wonderful!!! Great job Nathan Biggrin

NathanJ79
NathanJ79's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 10 months ago
Joined: 2007-07-31 15:07
Replies

OliverKCan I suggest not using italics for everything? The italics make it hard for me to read

Heh, it looked worse in the wiki. Wiki on a Stick or the font it uses makes italics almost unreadable. But yeah, I can lose the EM tags in the next version.

Any other opinions on formatting?

digitxpOne more reason for a wiki.
Two things to note however. The way it's written, I felt relieved to be around a while. I don't think 82% of users will be able to read this without going throug 6 months of forum archives.
Also, you forgot the classic: "Can I make so-and-so portable?"
Good luck.

Ironically, it was composed in a wiki.

Why would someone have to dig through forum archives to read this? The point is to avoid that. I pretty much want the FAQ to be a one-stop-shop to read about everything we expect people to know and understand. I do know that nobody reads things like FAQs/stickies on forums, but at least it's something to point to.

I didn't forget that part -- that would be covered in Part II. I'm still working on Part II. It won't be 2 parts when it's done, I just wanted to get this out there.

digitxpI submitted portablize to the urban dictionary.

UD ain't Merriam-Webster or any other reputable authority on the English language, but they do have a pretty funny site. I wish I could access it at work, but then it's probably for the best that I don't. (If I need something defined, their suggestions come up in Google results anyway.)

OliverK
OliverK's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 years 6 months ago
Developer
Joined: 2007-03-27 15:21
Heh, it looked worse in the

Heh, it looked worse in the wiki. Wiki on a Stick or the font it uses makes italics almost unreadable. But yeah, I can lose the EM tags in the next version.

Any other opinions on formatting?

I was originally going to suggest some better blocking, but decided against that. I looks fine. Maybe though, you should consider indenting the lines, if you can.

Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world

computerfreaker
computerfreaker's picture
Offline
Last seen: 13 years 3 months ago
Developer
Joined: 2009-08-11 11:24
Maybe a few non-breaking

Maybe a few non-breaking spaces ( ) for indenting?

"The question I would like to know, is the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. All we know about it is that the Answer is Forty-two, which is a little aggravating."

Chris Morgan
Chris Morgan's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 6 months ago
Joined: 2007-04-15 21:08
OS compatibility

There are a few things that you should change in the section on operating system compatibility. By general consensus, Wine is Wine, not WINE. Also, not all applications will run in Wine, and there may be side-effects, however we do try to make sure they work in Wine. See Application Compatibility for some out-of-date information on the subject (John has said before it's not being updated or used, but I reckon it'd be more useful if we fixed it up and updated it and made it more public again; right now it's not linked to on any official page, only available through search or a reference in the Wikipedia article).

Also, Mac compatibility is available through Wine; Darwine to be specific. Darwine is now at feature parity with Wine (for the x86 version that is rather than the PowerPC version). Instructions for installation of Wine on OS X are available here.

Also I don't like the turn of phrase "100%" in #10; using "100%" like that is an Americanism and not very accurate really when turned into English. Just say "you can be absolutely certain that they are illegal". (I feel the same way about the front page of this website... "It's 100% free to use, free to copy and free to share.")

I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here.

“A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.” – Proverbs 15:1

Bruce Pascoe
Offline
Last seen: 12 years 11 months ago
Joined: 2006-01-15 16:14
While we're being pedantic about names

It's "Windows Me", not "Windows ME".

NathanJ79
NathanJ79's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 10 months ago
Joined: 2007-07-31 15:07
...

Chris MorganThere are a few things that you should change in the section on operating system compatibility. By general consensus, Wine is Wine, not WINE.

Got it. Did not know that so that change will go through automatically.

Chris MorganAlso, not all applications will run in Wine, and there may be side-effects, however we do try to make sure they work in Wine. See Application Compatibility for some out-of-date information on the subject (John has said before it's not being updated or used, but I reckon it'd be more useful if we fixed it up and updated it and made it more public again; right now it's not linked to on any official page, only available through search or a reference in the Wikipedia article).

I'll link to it, and perhaps that will light a fire under those responsible for maintaining it to give it an update. I have been here a year or two and I have never seen it. It hasn't even got a header for Win7, but I imagine what works on Vista will work on Vista Mk.II (aka Win7).

Chris MorganAlso, Mac compatibility is available through Wine; Darwine to be specific. Darwine is now at feature parity with Wine (for the x86 version that is rather than the PowerPC version). Instructions for installation of Wine on OS X are available here.

I was not aware of this at all and will get it added.

Chris MorganAlso I don't like the turn of phrase "100%" in #10; using "100%" like that is an Americanism and not very accurate really when turned into English. Just say "you can be absolutely certain that they are illegal". (I feel the same way about the front page of this website... "It's 100% free to use, free to copy and free to share.")

The term 100% is meant to convey a sense of totality, but if it looks bad to international readers, I'll switch to the slightly more subtle absolutely.

BruceIt's "Windows Me", not "Windows ME".

Curious. I see Wikipedia agrees with you. I always figured since Edition started with a capital E (as in Millennium Edition) the proper name was ME. I'll probably just take out mention of the ol' "Mistake Edition" since anybody who had that wishes they didn't (like how Vista will be viewed soon, or already is, depending on who you ask).

Speaking of name gripes, what do you call that medical drama on FOX starring Hugh Laurie as a cynical, wisecracking, verbally abusive Holmes-esque diagnostician? Is it House, as Wikipedia gives it, or is it House, M.D. as the show's title card and DVD releases give it? It's almost like asking Star Wars nerds what the proper title of the original 1977 film is. (It's Star Wars; the Episode IV: A New Hope was added later. Meanwhile, Star Trek is the 11th film that came out in 2009, while the first film, from 1979, was Star Trek: The Motion Picture.) Confused? I sure am...

Chris Morgan
Chris Morgan's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 6 months ago
Joined: 2007-04-15 21:08
Windows 7 compatibility

As far as I know, only one of our applications doesn't work on Windows 7, and that's The Mana World.

100% should be understood by non-Americans, but it's an Americanism which isn't used elsewhere much at all and is hated by many people (especially mathematicians like me due to its utter meaninglessness :-)). It also just doesn't fit in with formal English (you're writing a novel, you should know about how to use numbers in formal English :D) whereas a word like "absolutely", "completely", or nothing at all (when a coefficient is not specified it is one). While any of these options is slightly tautological in nature they do strengthen the statement and make it clearer to the user.

And please, people, don't comment on that last paragraph of Nathan's... it's already off-topic, don't make it more off-topic!

I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here.

“A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.” – Proverbs 15:1

NathanJ79
NathanJ79's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 years 10 months ago
Joined: 2007-07-31 15:07
...

Chris MorganAs far as I know, only one of our applications doesn't work on Windows 7, and that's The Mana World.

Does it work in Vista? Or just XP and prior?

Chris Morgan100% should be understood by non-Americans, but it's an Americanism which isn't used elsewhere much at all and is hated by many people (especially mathematicians like me due to its utter meaninglessness). It also just doesn't fit in with formal English (you're writing a novel, you should know about how to use numbers in formal English) whereas a word like "absolutely", "completely", or nothing at all (when a coefficient is not specified it is one). While any of these options is slightly tautological in nature they do strengthen the statement and make it clearer to the user.

Great, now I'm gonna have to go through seven chapters and search each for "100%". I don't think I used it though. Thank God for CTRL+F.

Point taken; I would like the FAQ to be as formally written as possible, but not without a bit of humor. Formal writing is boring. It's effective, but if people don't want to read it, it's less likely to get read. And talking down to your audience or talking above them is a good way to get people to stop reading.

Chris MorganAnd please, people, don't comment on that last paragraph of Nathan's... it's already off-topic, don't make it more off-topic!

Not really off-topic, and I would like to know if other people agree that "M.D." is part of the title. No, this is off-topic: Did you know you can type in red up here? Enter your topic title but don't write your post just yet. Go to submit it. It will tell you that you need to enter a post. Type like normal but the font will be red. Stumbled upon this by accident the other day. That is off-topic. Or at least more so. Wink

Chris Morgan
Chris Morgan's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 6 months ago
Joined: 2007-04-15 21:08
TMW works in Vista

The Mana World works in XP and Vista; just not 7.

If anything your last comment was less off-topic, referring to something in the forum... time to stop though.

I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here.

“A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.” – Proverbs 15:1

Bruce Pascoe
Offline
Last seen: 12 years 11 months ago
Joined: 2006-01-15 16:14
Huh?

I just downloaded it and tested it on Win7, and it seems to work just fine...

Chris Morgan
Chris Morgan's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 6 months ago
Joined: 2007-04-15 21:08
New version

OK then, looks like a new version has introduced Windows 7 compatibility. The original version made portable didn't work on 7.

I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here.

“A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.” – Proverbs 15:1

Stevoisiak
Stevoisiak's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 years 4 months ago
Joined: 2008-02-05 11:22
Freeware without permission

Some freeware apps, (Like Google Chrome, UTorrent, ect.) do not have permission from the origional developers, but instead use an online installer.

Simplifying daily life through technology

Bruce Pascoe
Offline
Last seen: 12 years 11 months ago
Joined: 2006-01-15 16:14
...

Yeah, I still can't figure out why Chrome is considered freeware and not open-source. I thought it was just due to trademark issues and the proprietary EULA, but if that's the only reason then by that standard Firefox (whose official binaries also have an EULA) should be considered freeware too. It's weird...

Chris Morgan
Chris Morgan's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 6 months ago
Joined: 2007-04-15 21:08
Read

Read http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-google.html

Chromium is open source, developed by Google. Google Chrome is closed source. The post explains it more.

I am a Christian and a developer and moderator here.

“A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.” – Proverbs 15:1

Log in or register to post comments