[Dead] Trillian Astra Portable Launcher 1.1

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May 25, 2010 - 7:35pm

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[Dead] Trillian Astra Portable Launcher 1.1

Dead: Development on this portable app has ended.

Application: Trillian Astra
Category: Internet
Description: Trillian is a fully featured, stand-alone, skinnable chat client that supports chatting on Astra, Windows Live, Facebook, Yahoo, MySpace, AIM, Email, Google Talk, Skype, ICQ, Jabber, IRC, Bonjour and others. It also helps manage your social networks such as Facebook and Twitter. Trillian provides capabilities not possible with most original network clients, while supporting standard features such as audio and video chat, file transfers, group chats, buzzing, tabbed chats, tablet-based drawing, message history, plugins, avatars, multiple simultaneous connections to the same network, typing notifications, proxy support, and encrypted messaging.
Source: CNET

Download Trillian Astra Portable Launcher 1.1
549.55 KB Download, 339 KB + 32.0 MB = 32.3 MB Installed
MD5: BCE504A81C748DCCF92C614C611284DD

Release Notes
June 14, 2010: The new version contains copies the files from the host automatically. TrillianAstraPortableSync.exe is included to synchronize your accounts with ease.

June 4, 2010: Installer now compiled with PA.c Installer 2.0. All registry keys have been taken care of. The INI file left in $WINDIR% has been taken care of.

May 29, 2010: Saves settings in Data folder now. I decided not to implement syncing because none of the apps here have that.

May 25, 2010: Initial release

Known Bugs
All fixed.

Other Notes
This is not an online installer because the original Trillian installer does not extract correctly. I sent a message in an effort to get approval for redistributing this freeware.

May 25, 2010 - 8:37pm

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I found a problem

It seems that the launcher is accessing the data from the defaultdata folder and not using the designated Data folder.

May the Shwartz be with you

May 25, 2010 - 10:17pm

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the data folder

is for the registry.

I thought it would be better this way.

May 26, 2010 - 12:10am

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any data goes in the data\

any data goes in the data\ folder. Sorry if this is what you are doing. Havne't gotten to testing yet!

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May 26, 2010 - 4:06pm

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I'll put all the data, registry and user settings and all that good stuff, in the Data folder in my next release.

May 26, 2010 - 12:06am

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Normally, I'd avaoid anything

Normally, I'd avaoid anything PAL based. But I've wanted to try trillian for awhile now.

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May 26, 2010 - 4:17pm

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Funny how you assume that

Funny how you assume that this is PAL based.
Its not even based on any app.
Its not even from a template!
Its 100% my own! (Except for the intro).

Its not. I looked at PAL but I wasn't really satisfied by how it was set up. (And by the time it was out, I had really studied NSIS really hard and felt that PAL made my studying useless).

By the way, I try to avoid PAL, too.

May 26, 2010 - 8:45pm

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Oh wow, I'm sorry. I'm glad

Oh wow, I'm sorry. I'm glad you went with the hand coded method! My profuse apologies.

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May 26, 2010 - 8:46pm

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Just out of curiosity, the

Just out of curiosity, the syncing. How do you plan to implement that?

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May 27, 2010 - 2:20pm

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good question

CopyTrillianSettingsProfile:
                IfFileExists "$APPDATA\trillian\*.*" AskToSync
                Goto CheckForRegistryFiles
                
        AskToSync:
                MessageBox MB_ICONEXCLAMATION|MB_YESNO `$(CopyLocalProfile)` IDYES CopyUserData IDNO CheckForSettingsOnHost
                
        CopyUserData:
                CreateDirectory "$EXEDIR\Data\settings\trillian"
                CopyFiles "$APPDATA\trillian\*.*" "$EXEDIR\Data\settings"
                Goto CheckForSettingsOnHost

The problem I have though, is that the launcher is not asking even though no errors appear after running it. I'm still trying to see how I can fix it.

I have an idea how to sync USB to PC but I'll experiment with that after I fix a few problems I have right now.

May 27, 2010 - 10:42pm

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whats the whole launcher?

whats the whole launcher? Your code there looks solid, so something else must be out of whack.

Also, I tried it last night in a virtual machine. Works nice for what I tested, but while I liked the eye candy in trillian, it seems to wonky to me. I also don't like the requirement to get a trillian messaging id. Anyway, I'll play some more with it (just not IRC). Keep up the good work.

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May 30, 2010 - 12:28am

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Updated

to version 0.2. See the release notes if you want, I suggest you upgrade.

May 30, 2010 - 11:28pm

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As personally reported...

The following keys, with their sub-keys not explicitly mentioned, were left after testing TrillianAstraPortable_0.2_English.paf.exe with Trillian Astra 4.2 build 19.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}

HKEY_USERS\random-number_Classes\.tsz

HKEY_USERS\random-number_Classes\Trillian.SkinZip

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}

Also, after my first test, the file C:\WINDOWS\(null)toolkit.ini was created. However, after cleaning up and testing again, it wasn't?! I'm unsure what caused it to be created, but it was created by Trillian Astra...

If it's of any relevance, after searching for {B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A} on the internet, I found a reference at http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/21822695/

Note that they have also tracked changes by Ask.com toolbar, which apparently was installed for them by the local setup, but your package made no reference to it in my tests.

Regards

My posts are old and likely no longer relevant.

May 31, 2010 - 1:10pm

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yes, it is required to

yes, it is required to install the ask toolbar. A reason I did it in a virtual machine

I emailed him, apparently there is a way to make it handle the files if they are setup properly, this would be much better then the appdata switch.

As far as the
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
Those may or may not be from the installer? I've been meaning to do some checking over, but I got into a loop working on my website instead

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May 31, 2010 - 2:12pm

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Are you sure?

I have never been required to install the Ask toolbar (although I do get prompted if I want to or not). I just re-installed 4.2, which just made it out of beta, and I was not forced to install the toolbar.

It amazes me that on the internet you can be anything you want, and yet so many people still choose to be idiots.

May 31, 2010 - 5:15pm

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huh. I may have been wrong.

huh. I may have been wrong. I thought when I accepted the license agreement it was to accept installing the ask toolbar as well. But I am possibly wrong

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May 31, 2010 - 9:00pm

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"those may or may not be from

"those may or may not be from the installer"

I didn't check for what keys come from the installer, I only looked at the actual app. I'm hoping that I don't need to worry about the installer, though, since this will (hopefully) only distribute the actual app.

May 31, 2010 - 10:03pm

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you only need worry about

you only need worry about keys from running the program. If you have to do a custom install, then the installer should handle any key cleanup.

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June 1, 2010 - 7:51am

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Oh, man... So many replies... I don't know to whom to reply, so here's a new comment...

OliverK, no those were not left by the original installer. The original installer leaves these keys behind, and doesn't mention Ask.com toolbar:

Local installation of "Trillian Astra 4.2 build 19", without running it

Registry:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\InProcServer32
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Trillian

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\Connections

HKU\random-number_Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKU\random-number_Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\InProcServer32

Files:

C:\Program Files\Trillian\*
%APPDATA%\Trillian\users\global\trillian.ini
%USERPROFILE%\Desktop\Trillian.lnk
%USERPROFILE%\Start Menu\Programs\Trillian.lnk
_________________________________________________________________________

Portable version, "TrillianAstraPortable_0.2_English.paf.exe"
with "Trillian Astra 4.2 build 19"

Registry:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\InProcServer32
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}

HKU\random-number_Classes\_classes\.tsz
HKU\random-number_Classes\_classes\Trillian.SkinZip

where HKU\random-number_Classes\.tsz only points to
HKU\random-number_Classes\Trillian.SkinZip

Please note that those first keys/files were left only after the installation, and I have not run the local copy...

I've tested the portable package inside a clean sandbox. No changes were present ATM, neither from installation of Trillian Astra, nor from the portable package. After the test, those other keys were reported left or modified.

Note: I've opened regedit.exe in the same sandbox, and was able to confirm those keys left behind.

Some people test in VMs, some inside Sandboxie...

[EDIT]: I've only mentioned Ask.com toolbar in the first post since that McAfee team or whoever they are reported it, but I said and I repeat now, I have not been prompted about it, or seen it in any of my tests...

My posts are old and likely no longer relevant.

June 1, 2010 - 11:36am

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This regshot shows what's

This regshot shows what's left in the registry after registering and logging in but I didn't actually use Trillian to chat, and I didn't use a locally installed Trillian as I already had a copy !

Note that the following keys:

HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003_Classes
HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003\Software\Classes

translate into:

HKCU\Software\Classes

----------------------------------
Keys added:8
----------------------------------
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\InProcServer32
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\DefaultIcon
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\InstallInfo
HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins
HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003\Software\Classes\.tsz
HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003_Classes\.tsz

----------------------------------
Values added:12
----------------------------------
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\InProcServer32\: "H:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\Trillian\events.dll"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\InProcServer32\ThreadingModel: "Apartment"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}\: "Trillian"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\InstallInfo\ReinstallCommand: ""H:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\Trillian\trillian.exe" /reinstall"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\InstallInfo\HideIconsCommand: ""H:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\Trillian\trillian.exe" /hideicons"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\InstallInfo\ShowIconsCommand: ""H:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\Trillian\trillian.exe" /showicons"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\InstallInfo\IconsVisible: 0x00000001
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\DefaultIcon\: "H:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\Trillian\trillian.exe,0"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\: "Trillian"
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian\LocalizedString: "@H:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\Trillian\trillian.exe,-3"
HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003\Software\Classes\.tsz\: "Trillian.SkinZip"
HKU\S-1-5-21-343818398-1417001333-682003330-1003_Classes\.tsz\: "Trillian.SkinZip"

----------------------------------
Values modified:3
----------------------------------
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Cryptography\RNG\Seed: 7D 17 F7 B3 3F 5F DA 05 AC B9 12 F8 8E 2F 0E 8C 2C 3D CA E0 A9 6B 82 20 15 03 74 73 A3 81 C5 8A EC 48 95 FB 3A 3A 33 A2 10 C2 55 74 C4 BE 54 A8 CF 6B 75 A2 75 EA 33 3A 34 73 B2 B6 FD 29 2C 60 8E E7 17 97 69 B1 32 F2 90 B2 95 5C 5F 4D D6 69
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Cryptography\RNG\Seed: 02 85 34 CE B3 46 53 04 DB FD 2F 95 F7 E8 2F 2D CA 88 F5 C8 A2 69 56 79 B2 08 DA 69 AF 7D 8C EA 00 99 DB B1 B3 40 DE A6 7D CF DD 7D 11 18 85 F3 A6 90 52 1E AB 8C DA C0 5C 1A B0 23 C1 76 DC C5 97 82 54 A2 BE 1A AA FC 48 B2 D9 8A 23 6E BA 53
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesProcessed: 0x00000298
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesProcessed: 0x0000029C
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesSuccessful: 0x000001C6
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Prefetcher\TracesSuccessful: 0x000001C8

----------------------------------
Files [attributes?] modified:3
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C:\Documents and Settings\Gringoloco\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat.LOG
C:\Documents and Settings\Gringoloco\ntuser.dat.LOG
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\software.LOG

----------------------------------
Total changes:26
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So the only keys, I think, the launcher should still be able to deal with, are the following keys:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{B7125B4E-CA73-47f1-AEAA-6B3EFA553F5A}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins
HKCU\Software\Classes\.tsz

Although, I'm not entirely sure how to deal with 'HKCU\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\UIPlugins'.
Probably the best way is to just do a back-up but DO NOT delete the key, cause it could be possible it's used by locally installed apps. Then when the launcher is cleaning-up it could delete the key and restore the back-up !
I would almost say there is no need to save any of them to the Data\settings folder! Maybe just save 'HKLM\SOFTWARE\Clients\IM\Trillian', but even for that one, I do not think it contains any settings.
Anybody else any suggestions about handling these keys ?

Another thing, because this is just a launcher it would be better to set the PA.cInstaller to preserve the App\trillian folder.
installer.ini:

[DirectoriesToPreserve]
PreserveDirectory1=App\trillian

BTW: What is the script you've been using to compile 'Trillian Astra Portable 0.2' ?
'launcher2.nsi', 'somthing.nsi' or 'TrillianAstraPortableLauncher.nsi' ?

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June 1, 2010 - 6:06pm

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looks like I forgot to rename it :P

its 'something.nsi'

I also still need to "touch-up" the readme.txt in Source. I'm almost done and should be releasing 0.3 before the end of tomorrow.

And thanks to everyone who's helped with their input.

June 4, 2010 - 6:24pm

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upgraded to 1.0

Enjoy!

June 4, 2010 - 11:13pm

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Feedback

Tested TrillianAstraPortable_1.0_English.paf.exe with Trillian Astra 4.2 build 19.

Works on XP SP2 and XP SP3. Works both with and without admin privileges.

No files were left behind! (it's clean)
No relevant registry entries were left behind! (it's clean)
______________________________________________________________________________________

The really funny thing (read: interesting) is the fact that this time, while I was installing the local copy in order to obtain files for Trillian Astra Portable, I was prompted to install Ask.com toolbar, but it was easy to decline. OliverK, seems you were right, partially, they do offer Ask.com sometimes, but it's not mandatory...

My posts are old and likely no longer relevant.

June 4, 2010 - 11:37pm

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man that sounds good

now all I need to do is wait for that message from Cerulean Studios. Thanks dboki.

June 11, 2010 - 12:00pm

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Missing trillian.exe

The install runs w/out error, but the \PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\trillian folder is completely empty causing a "cannot be started - \app\trillian\trillian.exe could not be found" error.

Am I missing something or maybe my local drive install of Astra is confusing the installer?

Thanks!

June 11, 2010 - 5:35pm

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yes

Trillian Astra is closed source Freeware, meaning that it would be illegal for me to redistribute it. This is a launcher only, which will save your data in the Data folder. You need to manually go to C:\Program Files\Trillian and copy the folder into the App folder.

June 11, 2010 - 6:52pm

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Thanks!

OK. So I copy my local install into the \app\trillian folder.

And since it came from my local drive I have to update the Settings to point everything to my USB drive. For example, I want my logs stored on my USB drive not in:
c:\documents and settings\\application data\trillian\users\\logs

So it looks like I need to created and point my logs to:
[USBdrive]:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\Data\settings\Trillian\users\\logs

And I think it carried over the local install setting for the global user so \app\trillian\trillian.ini needs to be updated to point to:
[USBdrive]:\PortableApps\TrillianAstraPortable\App\trillian\users\global

Is there a way to make those relative (in case the drive letter changes with the USB device)?

Thanks for putting this together!

June 11, 2010 - 7:13pm

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there are a few problems...

Trillian leaves regkeys behind on the host, you need one of those keys to keep you settings. I'm going to quick run-once launcher to copy your data to your portable version... give me 15 minutes and I will post it up.

as for all the other data... just copy ...application data\trillian to your settings folder (but I'll make the launcher do it).

[EDIT]: Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/?gjhnjnwwdmy
Download it to your TrillianAstraPortable folder, then run it.

June 14, 2010 - 2:18pm

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Thanks! Everything seems to

Thanks!

Everything seems to be working well so I'm assuming I don't need to worry about plugin references pointing to the C: drive (haven't tried removing the local install yet).

June 14, 2010 - 7:06pm

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Upgraded to 1.1

You don't have to worry about hand-copying the files anymore. The installer does it for you. Run TrillianAstraPortableSync.exe (built in) to synchronize your account at anytime from your local install to your portable install.

June 14, 2010 - 10:11pm

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Good work on the sync. BTW,

Good work on the sync. BTW, I've currently got a 600 mhz processor and 128 meg RAM (after I upgraded . . . .) computer running. Of course, its running ubuntu server but . . . . .

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October 23, 2010 - 2:32pm

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sooo...

any chance on seeing this updated for the latest v5 releases?

October 24, 2010 - 5:47pm

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sorry

I haven't looked at the latest version. I sent the developers an email months ago asking for permission to redistribute their app, or at least put up a zip file online for me to use an online installer, and I got a reply asking me what they wanted in the zip. I told them just the stuff that goes into C:\Program Files\Trillian. They haven't emailed me back.

If I get the chance later this week, I'll give it a go with the new v5. At the earliest, I'll have it up by Halloween.

December 27, 2010 - 10:11pm

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Still interested...

I realize it's the holidays, but I'm on the edge of my seat to have this worked on with v5.

December 28, 2010 - 12:45pm

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Well, to be honest

I think its a dead project. No app on PortableApps.com is a launcher-only app without being an online installer. And the guys at Cerulean Studios don't seem to want to give permission nor post a zipped version of Trillian.

I'll ask one more time, and see what they say...

December 28, 2010 - 1:13pm

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I am also hoping that this

I am also hoping that this takes off. I use Trillian heavily both on my PC and phone. I know that there is a Web sign-on but I much prefer the app. Maybe we could have a petition of some sort to bring to Cerulean.

I did a quick search (in the event someone else thinks a petition may be a good way to go) and I came up with this.

http://www.petitionspot.com/
http://www.petitiononline.com/

It amazes me that on the internet you can be anything you want, and yet so many people still choose to be idiots.

December 28, 2010 - 1:49pm

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no thanks

If the developer wants it portable, he'll notify me. A petition will not do anything to change their mind. Thanks for the positive thinking, though

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