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March 29, 2006 - 1:31pm

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Developer Features Beta Testing

I've just implemented the first of the developer features and am looking to have a few folks beta test to see how things are working out. So far, I have implemented:

- Developer Blogs (portableapps.com/blogs/username)
- Developer Test Projects (within portableapps.com/development/projects - not up yet)
- Developer Chat

I already have 3 beta testers. I could use a few more to start trying these things out.

Oh, and everybody is welcome to try out the new chatbox. It's in development/chat.

Regards,
John

March 29, 2006 - 2:26pm

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Great John....

Good work, I will be getting to my pages as soon as I can. I did try the chatbox and get a page not found error.

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March 29, 2006 - 2:31pm

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Odd..

Be sure you're logged in and try the link above again...

Or was it when you clicked on the "launch chatbox" link

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March 30, 2006 - 10:47am

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I'll beta test anything that

I'll beta test anything that you need. Also I will move my projects here, after all third migration lucky! Finally will I be able to have feautre so that only certain users can download my files. For example I want to release some initial Liberta components soon but only for a select number of users!

P.S. John have you seen what I am trying to do with Liberta, if not check these threads out!

http://www.portasoft.org/e107/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?243

http://www.portasoft.org/e107/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?514

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March 30, 2006 - 2:34pm

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You're in

Check your email for all the details and feel free to drop a note in-thread with thoughts and suggestions on the dev tools.

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March 31, 2006 - 3:24am

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I like it! But was does the

I like it! But was does the create forum topic do? Is it for new threads or whole new topics e.g. Like the Beta Teting Section

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March 31, 2006 - 3:51am

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Drupal

It's just the way the CMS (Drupal) works. The site has forums, so the option to create new "forum topic" appears on the create content page. Usually this is hidden on the menu... I'm assuming that you've now got access to see it.

It is for making new threads. Topics / forums are created by adding categories to the CMS.

March 31, 2006 - 4:17am

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Thanks! Yours Steve

Thanks!

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March 31, 2006 - 10:17am

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Exactly

Yeah, the create content page just lists it all. You can create a forum topic and then choose the forum from there, though it's better to just do it from the actual forum (I have a habit of selecting the General Container instead of the General forum).

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March 31, 2006 - 10:19am

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Chatbox Cleanup

I cleaned up the Chatbox window a bit. Streamlined the users list, hid the buffer options, made the Say box bigger. I may dive in and see if I can AJAX it a bit to make it easier on the eyes (and ditch the flicker) at some point.

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March 31, 2006 - 1:25pm

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ajax chat

Although not quite the same thing, my ajax_chat module does something like this already (in my Drupal CVS sandbox). It doesn't do the user list, but it might make a conversion easier

March 31, 2006 - 1:37pm

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Hmmm

How about integrating the user list from chatbox into ajax chat. We can canibalize it from chatbox.

I didn't know about this module... I'll test it out. Is there a demo anywhere online that's live?

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March 31, 2006 - 3:04pm

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sign me up!

/me gets in line for dev privliges! Thanks!

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April 1, 2006 - 11:28am

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Check your email...

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March 31, 2006 - 5:00pm

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I don't personally

I don't personally run a demo right now, but I did come across this random site that does. You have to log in first to be able to post messages.

April 1, 2006 - 12:16am

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Count me in

Questions:
Can I beta test the blogs etc?
Will everyone have a blog eventually?
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April 1, 2006 - 11:29am

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You're in...

Check your email for your details.

For now, it's developers only to have blogs and just for writing about portable apps. Eventually, I may add in the ability for everyone to have blogs but highlight the developer blogs in the development section. We'll see how things progress.

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April 1, 2006 - 8:04pm

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Thanks!

Very much apreciated! And FTP maybe coming. *tear* Just like PortaSoft used to.
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April 1, 2006 - 11:34am

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Any news on file hosting and

Any news on file hosting and limiting it to specific users?

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April 1, 2006 - 3:54pm

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Workin on it...

I'm working on it. I've got it working as attachments to pages using the standard Drupal upload module... but that's a bit limiting. Not to mention that it doesn't let us track download numbers easily.

I'm experimenting with Attachment/FileManager modules as well. And trying out FileStore2. If any Drupal folks have solid experience with file uploads and permissions, all advice would be welcome.

May have to start with FTPing it in and me moving it around at first. Annoying, but them's the breaks.

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April 1, 2006 - 6:26pm

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sounds great!!

I can't wait for this! Our own upload section with FTP

-Justin

April 3, 2006 - 8:01am

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Blogs...

I thin kshould have the ability to control all aspects of their blogs. Such as delteing a post if needed. I posted two test post but can't delete.(Just testing the features.)

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April 3, 2006 - 10:09am

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Can't

Drupal doesn't currently allow that (only full content admins can delete posts)... that's why you can't delete your own forum posts, either. If I could give folks the ability just to delete their own stuff, I would.

I *think* there may be a way in the upcoming Dupal 4.7 to do it, though.

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April 3, 2006 - 12:31pm

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I opened the link you

I opened the link you provided, and got a page with a link to "Launch Chat" -- but clicking the link reveals a Page Not Found error...

What's up?

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April 3, 2006 - 5:27pm

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OK -- the chatbox seems to

OK -- the chatbox seems to have been moved.

Go to http://www.portableapps.com/chatbox/ to access it. (Should work now.)
EDIT: There's a bug on the page. Head on over to https://portableapps.com/chatbox/popup -- that's where you can find the chatbox. It's a fullscreen window, so you might want to right-click and open in a new window/tab.

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April 3, 2006 - 8:56pm

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IE?

There seems to be a bug with it when launching in IE. I'll take a look at the code tomorrow.

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April 5, 2006 - 2:11pm

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It opens

It opens /chatbox/chatbox/popup, instead of /chatbox/popup...

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April 5, 2006 - 11:45am

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IRC Discussion

I've also secured the IRC channel #portableapps on Freenode (irc.freenode.net) for an alternate solution to a live discussion. Considering all of the IRC clients available (including the already portable Miranda), I think using IRC is a better solution.

You can chat online through the web browser by going here and then typing /join #portableapps when you're connected. If PortableApps.com installs its own version of PJIRC, it can have users automatically join #portableapps by following these instuctions for the installation.

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April 5, 2006 - 11:52am

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Security and Identity

The issues with IRC are with security and identity. Anybody can hop on and pretend to be anybody else. That's one of the reasons I'm looking at solutions that can integrate into Drupal (and use the built-in security and user database). It looks like AJAX chat may be the best bet for now once we can hack it together.

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April 5, 2006 - 12:36pm

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Do you mean this?

http://drupal.org/node/27689

or this

http://www.smiletag.com/

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April 5, 2006 - 1:12pm

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New one

Combination of the current chatbox and this:
http://socket7.net/lace/demo/

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April 5, 2006 - 1:22pm

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I like it! How soon will it

I like it!

How soon will it be up?

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April 5, 2006 - 1:39pm

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Working on it

Thox has done some Drupal module work... perhaps he'd be interested in helping

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April 5, 2006 - 1:38pm

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Identity & security

Doesn't NickServ deal with identity issues? I'm pretty sure FreeNode is established enough to be considered a good environment to use.

April 5, 2006 - 1:45pm

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A command like

/NICKSERV register nm35

would do it...

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April 5, 2006 - 2:53pm

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NickServ

Yup, NickServ allows you to secure your own username, but you have go through some typing. Some IRC clients don't allow /NICKSERV so you may have to use /MSG NICKSERV instead. Here's how to secure your username:

/NICK [username]
/MSG NICKSERV REGISTER [password]

And then in order to tell NickServ you are who you say you are, you use:

/MSG NICKSERV IDENTIFY [password]

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April 5, 2006 - 9:04pm

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Hey John, Can you add a link

Hey John,

Can you add a link to the blogs (development/blogs) and the chatbox at the top of the Development section?

Thanks...

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April 5, 2006 - 10:36pm

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Yeah, beta tomorrow

I'm gonna try some beta layouts (dirextory structure, etc) tomorrow so you guys can get a feel for what might work.

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April 7, 2006 - 6:02am

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Hey John could you put up

Hey John could you put up some more project pages for me as they all have SourceForge hosting at the moment. The one that I would like are:

Profile Sync
PortaLog
MiniUp

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April 8, 2006 - 6:15pm

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Beta Testing

I'll be happy to Beta Test too.

April 9, 2006 - 1:24pm

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ChatBox

Whenever I join the chat, noone is there. I've been idling in the IRC channel #PortableApps on FreeNode and so far I've seen Thox and revelo there. I'll be using the IRC channel as it's just that much more convenient then having the browser window open all the time.

If you're concerned about the identity and security situation when it comes to IRC, just secure your username with NickServ and you won't have any problems. I'm also more then willing to give, anyone trustworthy, ChanServ administration rights on #PortableApps.

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April 9, 2006 - 4:20pm

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Chatbox Purpose

The purpose of the chatbox is more for scheduled chats. Like if you want to all login and talk about a development project at a given time. Most normal conversation would happen on the forums... so all can see and it's searchable and archived (preservation of knowledge and all) :-). It isn't really made to sit on and idle like IRC is.

I honestly haven't used IRC in over 10 years. It got old after all the DDOS attacks on some big networks and such.

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April 9, 2006 - 11:50pm

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Time zones

are the problem with scheduled chats. We took a survey at PortaSoft so we could get together at the same time, but everyone is different, so it never happened.
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April 10, 2006 - 8:52am

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Online Chat Meetings

GameDev has a biweekly staff meeting and it hasn't really been a big problem for most people since they're either in GMT, EST, or DST. Picking a time that works for those three time zones isn't that difficult. GameDev uses IRC for both online chat and staff meetings. It is nice to have the ability to log in using your own Drupal/PortableApps associated username though .

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April 10, 2006 - 5:49pm

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Survey results:

We had GMT, EST, AEST (australian Eastern Standard Time), WST etc.
Too many time zones.
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April 10, 2006 - 6:57pm

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Convert it to GMT and see

Convert it to GMT and see who's online at what times in GMT, then!

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April 10, 2006 - 8:25pm

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But...

Remember, we all went on at different times. I've only seen justin, davad and nm35 during the day. I've seen Steve Lamerton late at night when finishing an assignment.
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April 13, 2006 - 6:21pm

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I noticed this:

HTML for Devs (project pages only)

* Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <pre> <table> <tbody> <tr> <th> <td> <h2> <h3>
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April 13, 2006 - 6:41pm

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Added it today

I was working with Steve Lamerton to get his first real project pages up. He's been a bit of a guinea pig the last day or so helping make sure things are working right. (Thanks Steve!) It was the easiest way to add in the ability for devs to have better project pages. Just be sure to only use it on your project pages and not in the forums.

Since you have a test one, try it out. And note how the tables look nice n pretty. You can even do the highlighting by setting alternating rows to class="light" and class="dark" in the table if you'd like. And don't forget TH for the heading cells.

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April 13, 2006 - 8:24pm

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What about

<img />
And what's the point of tbody? I know what it does, but who needs it?
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April 14, 2006 - 2:02am

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IMG Tag

I actually am voting against the IMG tag. Although it would be nice, moderation of it would be a tramendous pain in the rear.

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April 14, 2006 - 3:49am

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Good point

Can normal users see it?
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April 14, 2006 - 3:28pm

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Download buttons

I like the IMG tag just for the download buttons, like the ones at the Portable Firefox page.

Just give it to developers and restrict it to project pages -- if someone does something nasty, yank his/her dev access.

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April 14, 2006 - 3:50pm

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Download Buttons

The download buttons are only for apps in the App Directory that have been released. We could create a small button for project pages. I can actually do that as a class of the A tag without too much muss or fuss.

We'll need to figure out what constitutes the point where a dev project is 'released'. (Full GPL compliance, SourceForge-hosted, full support page with all known issues, no trademark issues, support for the standard directory layouts, etc) How about we start a new thread on it next week to hammer it out?

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April 14, 2006 - 7:42pm

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I have a image generator

Here:
http://rmccue.portasoft.org/download_img.php?project=blah
Set project= to something different and it generates a new image.
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April 14, 2006 - 8:09pm

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Use CSS

With CSS, you can produce the same effect with better quality. I do that for the buttons now and will use it for the new dev project downloads.

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April 14, 2006 - 3:27pm

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Hey John...

When are you going to make the project pages I requested?

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April 14, 2006 - 3:34pm

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Please handle project requests via email. I've been answering all developer emails before other stuff... and it'll sit at the top of the inbox until done. I'll miss it if you make requests of this nature in the forums. (I'll see it and say "i gotta do this" and then see something else) I'm odd in the forums... I pay attention to something and then... ooo... shiney...

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April 14, 2006 - 3:37pm

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Ah. Sorry...

Thanks. I thought I should avoid e-mail since you have 300 to read...

Will send you an e-mail about it.

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April 14, 2006 - 3:45pm

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Working on em

I'm already doing em.

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April 14, 2006 - 7:44pm

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Which one?

Personal or removed?
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April 14, 2006 - 8:09pm

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Either

For folks that know my personal address here at portableapps, just use that. For new folks (once I open up development to all) just use contact@.

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April 14, 2006 - 8:52pm

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I sent it

And I sent you my Easter themed logo.
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April 15, 2006 - 2:15am

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I would love to beta test!

Is there any way I could be apart of this beta testing? I can test beta apps via CD-ROM, flash drives, off my hard-drive (obviously), and my work permits plenty of time for experimentation! If you need any more beta testers please count me in

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April 15, 2006 - 2:44am

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Not Apps

Developer Features on the site.
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