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Portable Menu Theme Designer - Alpha Preview 4 - For PAM 1.2+

Looking for suggestions/input. Just remember its an alpha so lets not load the post with obvious things like fields that don't work yet etc.

When the program opens, should it show the preview window? Or wait till Open or New is selected.
When New is selected should the preview window be blank or show a default theme?

Also if any of you graphic designers want to improve on the icon, it would be much appreciated.

PortableMenuThemeDesigner

EDIT: Its about 90% functional at this point.
Most of the buttons are sizable using the shift key as well as being movable.
Still need to tweak the resize code I don't like how it works.
Started the theme.ini save routine, it will save PATheme.ini to..
\Data\Themes\{Name}\PATheme.ini (Hopefully I won't have to change to much once PAM 1.2 is released)
Still looking for feed back/ideas.

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Very nice

I like it. The interface is simple, and there's not a lot of extra garbage. Is it designed to make themes for just your menu, or will it also work with the official PAM and xrxca's PAM mod R30?

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PAM Only

Actually it will only work with PAM 1.2 and up as the new theme engine won't be compatible with current themes or so I've read in the posts.
Eventually I may update my menu to support the new theme engine as well, but since I've been asked to help with the dev of PAM I don't know when I will have time.

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Question...

Is the new theme engine the same as the theme in the data/themes/default folder?
Saw your later post and my question was answered. I misunderstood earlier, but I understand now.

Also, I love the idea of this program, can't wait till it's beta!

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very promising...

with the new theme engine final, it would be very easy to update old themes by Your theme designer and , of course , create new ones.So, please,continue working on it.It´s great Smile

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Haven't tried it yet

but if u say u could use it to update old theme's well i am in...it just finish gona try it now keep working on it it's a great idea.

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This looks VERY promising! A brilliant idea! Keep up the good work! Smile

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Tried out

Your alpha2preview. Great! Hope there´ll be a beta soon..Though I don´t know whether it´s supported in PAM 1.2 : the ability to reduce the number of app sbtn in the display from the given 20 to eg 10 or even 5 would be nice for developping new themes.

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PAM 1.2 features only at this point

If PAM 1.2 supports it, I will add it to the designer.
Since PAM 1.2 themes will not be compatible with the older version or the current MOD's I am not putting features for them in the designer at this point.

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Update Uploaded

See comments above.

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Great...

EDIT(Deleted the first request.First test,then post? I´ll do better in the future ;))
Suggestion: for a new theme loading the somehow blank appearance of the default theme in preview 2 looks more neutral and in my opinion better.
Maybe the place for the personal picture could be displayed in the theme, even when it´s not adjustable, merely for testing newly created themes.

Nethertheless: very good app, I´m going test it a bit further later this day.

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Basic Theme Text Color

The text color of a basic theme is black, in the 2nd preview it was white on a dark theme.
To keep with what I think John has in mind for the ability to easily make a basic theme, with the option of advanced options, I changed the default background to display the default text colors.
What I will probably do is if you click File/New display a blank gray background which should show both black and white text.
I will add the personal picture to the designer so folks can see where it would sit in the theme.

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So..

everything will be fine.Good work!

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Added the personal picture,

Added the personal picture, and clicking File\New clears the background, backgroundtop, and drivespace image.
Before the suggestion is made, the rest of the images are just place holders for now, I will add handling them once the theme engine is released so I know how they are going to be handled.

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I´ll test it

:),thanks for the quick response.

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Well feed back

looks good works good. one question is the u know any good icon making programs that u will recommend? Amm will the new menu have support for custom buttons i really cant remember but i did read it some where. If so u should have a tab under advance for the option of add other buttons. I mean like under search etc. and in basic the option "Name" if for..... name of the theme? or......

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If you're no graphic artsit

IcoFX is good. It's still hard to make a decent icon, but it's easier than using another program that you have no experience with.

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Well i use photoshop

so if u consider that ah graphic artist then i am. i will try icoFX see how it is. It cant be as steep as a learning curve as GIMP. if it is i will catch hell.

EDIT:
sweet it has a portable one to going to try it now.

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Art Icons Pro

I use Art Icons Pro as well as IcoFX.
Art Icons Pro has support for more file formats, while IcoFX seems to be a bit more robust for editing. What I usually end up doing is using Art Icons Pro to import/export file formats and IcoFX for editing.
I am definitely not a graphic designer so all my stuff is basic editing.

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Thanks i'm no big graphic designer neither

just do editing. i will see how well i could make some custom theme-icon's I will try both. programs

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It would be nice

if there was an "Export theme to..." function to use to save the theme for PAM Mod...and your menu, of course. Just thought I'd give my idea.

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awesome tool!!

but one question. can you create or change this tool for the r30 mod (i mean support all function, extra buttons...)? This would make my work easier Wink

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Maybe in a future release

I want to wait until PAM 1.2 is out and the new theme engine is final.
If people are going to continue to use the r30 MOD after the new PAM is out, I would think it would be updated to be theme compatible with PAM 1.2 with the option of additional functions. Since xrca and myself have been asked to help with the development of PAM 1.2+ I would think that 90% of the functionality in both menu's will eventually make it into PAM 1.2+. So it would be a waste of time and code to add functions now only to have to delete or change them later.

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Ok...

..then i made this what i made every day, waiting of the new PAM release Wink

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I would assume this is

I would assume this is completely portable and does this only support the smithtech menu or also the regular pam?

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When it is released

it will be for Portable Apps Platform (new name for portable apps menu).

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Yes and PAM Only

Yes it is completely portable.
The initial release will actually only be for the new PAM 1.2+ as the new theme engine won't be compatible with the current mod's including mine.
If the existing mod's are updated to support the new theme engine then the designer should work for them as well, aside from any unique features which I may or may not add support for in a future release.

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When will we beable to import the eject/close buttons

ok well i just made my theme last night for the new menu i think i follow every thing accordingly but i noticed u have transparent icons for backup/explore..etc i though it was not going to have transparencies or is that just for the .PNG files and not including the icons.
well that said in a few hr's could i post a preview of the one i made with your theme maker........if only i could save it. lol i stayed up whole night working on it.

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I can't say what John is

I can't say what John is going to do with the new version, he hasn't told anyone or released any code.
The designer is just a preview of how it will work once its finished, posted for feedback and suggestions.
I can't write the code to save the theme until I know what to name the files Sad

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Ok np

Well thats ok i could wait.
Still working on the custom icons. i am making both transparent and nontransparent.
Taking a while to perfect this.

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New Update Posted

See comments above.

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After a short glimpse...

Seems to work.Nice! Smile

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Havent tried it yet

But i think the format for the background supposed to be in .PNG And the import exit buttons still not working.think u already know that.
But good work. i am look forward to the beta.
EDIT: did not realize u put in the potothing at the top.

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No PNG support yet

I haven't added png support yet as I am waiting to see how John implements it to maintain license compatibility.
So for now I am still using the old .jpg/.bmp format.

EDIT: quick update posted, added font color to the folder buttons.

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Works great

Two suggestions : besides loading every single icon for the corresponding button as it is set as default now, there should be a drop down or a search button to set the path to the icon folder named like "load all icons" or "load icon theme" to load the complete icon theme at once.
-Second: PortableApps logo is missing now.For developping new themes it might be easier to switch on and off the original logo with the complete PortableApps.com phrase ,or,
perhaps even better, Your Button with a frame representing the area occupied by the original logo.Same as with the personal picture. Smile

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Future version

The "Load all icons' option I have already considered and have planned for a future release.
As for the top logo's, I took mine out intentionally to eliminate confusion about which menu the designer was for.
I can't just put the PAM logo's in without permission and I am still waiting to hear back from John on other issues. So for now it has to stay blank, but eventually I will put something in there.
Maybe I'll create a "Portable Menu Theme Designer" phrase to fill in there.

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I understand..

..and thanks for the quick response.Keep waiting for at least PAM 1.1ß5 Hope to see Your designer in ß soon Smile

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Hows this

uploaded an update, added a logo banner of sorts.
it ain't pretty, I'm no graphic designer but it should at least give you a visual que as to where the logo banner will sit.

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Almost perfect...

a bit too big and too much to the right corners and not exactly representing the place of the original; but so far so good, because we don´t know how the original will look like in the new version. Wink Good work!

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another quick update

changed the logo again
tweaked the PATheme.ini save routine a little.

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YAY

Just finished making my new theme with your help Smile
only one thing needs to change and thats the eject & exit buttons.
This works fin for me.
NB: My custom icons are a little Lame but it my first time making icons.
http://38.114.207.15/6076cc0bd8736ab6a1d7076ace55bacb6g.jpg
Prof ur program works. Smile

EDIT: u update real fast this is the second download for the day But i guess thats good
How u like my theme.

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5th Hokagai

Nice, I watch Naruto all the time, but you should do one of the 5th Hokagai Wink

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Well i was not sure if ppl here

would be into it Naruto thats why i did not make plenty of it. It was just to test to see what ppl who use PAM are into. So looks like i have a reason to make more. sounds like a request.:) U have a special pic of him or let me chose. I will make one for the old menu and the new.

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5th Hokagai is a her

lol, the 5th Hokagai is a her not a him Wink

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yea i know my mistake i was

yea i know my mistake i was thinking of the 3th. I will start on that now. My other computer HD get formated so i need something to take mind of of it.

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Here's one

got me thinking about making one, so here it is.
Preview
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Well i have 2 on the way.

I got held back for a while..my last computer was wiped clean so i had a lot of work to do on it but expect to see 2 maybe by tonight or early morning. u should have made the font of the drive name/letter and space into black would have been easer. I will have to experiment with that. u distributing the .psd file?

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I usually try not to include

I usually try not to include the psd only to keep the size of the zip file down, if you want it I can post it for download.

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Nice Work

This will be a lot easier than some other ways people have done.
http://wiki.hak5.org/wiki/Skinning_the_PortableAppsMenu

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resizing code...

Have you tried the SizeControl component?

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No but will look

I haven't tried the SizeControl component.
Developent on this is stalled at this point until PAM 1.2 code is released so I know how to handle the new.png support.
If I remember, I will look at it when I start back up on this once PAM 1.2 is released.

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The link...

Here's the link for it: TSizeCtrl

A slightly updated version: TSizeCtrl

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Nice!

Just started working with it, although I think the link to the "slightly update" version is actually older at least based on the file dates.
Anyway, I like it. I will have to rewrite all of the "tracking" code so the main form will still track the changes to the preview form but I think its worth the extra work.

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"When the program opens,

"When the program opens, should it show the preview window? Or wait till Open or New is selected.
When New is selected should the preview window be blank or show a default theme?"
First Question:It should wait till open or new is selected
Second Qieston: When you say new it should ask you if you want to use a template or create it from scratch

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