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Portable Gnumeric

I think a PortableGnumeric would be very useful for those of us who want just a word processor and a spreadsheet. There is a Windows port on their website www.gnumeric.org

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AbiWord

It looks a lot like Abiword. Portable Abiword might be sufficiant for your needs.

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what?

I'm not sure that I follow you. I already have PortableAbiWord, but I would like PortableGnumeric so that I can have a word processor and a spreadsheet without having to get an entire office suite (like Portable OpenOffice).

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no gnumeric is not the

no gnumeric is not the same

hundred of portable applications:
http://standalone.atspace.org/index.html

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yes

It would be fairly easy to make this app portable. I hope John reads this.

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I read everything...

I just don't have the time to resond to it all.

Gnumeric is on the list.

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thanks

I hope that it comes out soon, Merry Christmas!

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how big

How big do you expect it to be uncompressed?

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Gnumeric Issues

I think I may pass on Portable Gnumeric, unless there is genuine interest. It will work, but it will be messy:

  • Command window will always be visible (this is due to Gnumeric itself and if you close it, Gnumeric will close without asking you to save your work)
  • Registry keys will need to be backed up and restored (this adds complexity and memory footprint... and if there is a crash, stuff is left in the registry and a local install of Gnumeric may be affected)
  • Not Compressible - Gnumeric fails when UPX compressed, so it's a solid 57MB

So, it isn't the best candidate for portability. If I make the version I'm playing with available, it will be labeled an Alpha due to the issues mentioned.

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don't bother

It is way too big, and if it has that many problems, then don't even release it. At 57 MB, I might as well just use OOo. With this and AbiWord, it is almost as big as the enitire suite. I'll try to find an open-source spreadsheet that will work better instead.

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If you do...

lemme know!

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I'm working on a portable gnumeric now

One of the problems is upx. There's a dll called libspreadsheet.dll that doesn't like upx for some reason. I installed gnumeric to my regular program files directory. I backed up libspreadsheet.dll and then I compressed all the dll's in the bin directory then recovered my backup of the troublesome dll. Gnumeric is now working like a champ.

Now I'm in the process of using a program called pngcrush http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1689 to compress the numerous icons.

One of the main problems that makes gnumeric so large (not large in comparison to openoffice) is that it contains a special version of libgtk-2.0 and you can't use gaim's version.

It will take me some time to go through each icon directory to "crush" the png's but after that I'll upload a beta to my website.
the syntax for the pngcrush is:
pngcrush -brute -d new *
This will find the optimal size for all of the png files in the current directory and put them in a subdirectory called "new." You then take your optimized files and overwrite your big png's. I hope this helps others.

Another program I've found helpful to figure out what directories are taking up so much space is "TreeSize"
http://www.jam-software.com/treesize/treesize_personal.shtml

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It's already done

I actually already have a working copy of it which I created while analyzing it in December. It's just big and it always has a commandline window visible (which doesn't inspire much confidence among users) so I hadn't released it. If there's interest, I can release it as an alpha.

UPDATE: I just tried the new Gnumeric release for Windows and it does ditch the commandline Window. I'll update the included version in my package and do a release of Portable Gnumeric so people can play with it.

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Hey John, can you please

Hey John, can you please post Portable Gnumeric Smile

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Me too

I'd also like to see what you got...

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Why are the opensource spreadsheets slow?

Gnumeric is a nice little spreadsheet but it seems to suffer with slowness like Calc. I want a spreadsheet that is faster then both, like excel, less features would be ok. There does not seem to be anything out there.

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AjaxXLS

This was just released. It is a spreadsheet that runs entirely from your browser. Right now the stable release just views all of the major formats, but a beta version edits and views them. There is a link below the main icon on the site.

http://www.ajaxxls.com

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VERY limited

Like all the other so-called AJAX apps, it's exceedingly limited. You can enter data into cells and sum them. But that's about it.

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well now

You must know that web apps are the future though. It is a pre-release as well, so don't hurt it's feelings. Also, what do you mean "so-called AJAX apps" they are or they aren't asynchronous javascript and xml, right? Finally, most users have no other option for a spreadsheet that is portable besides the large OpenOffice or Spread32, which has zero functionality.

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Clarification

Although AJAX refers to async js... lots of people equate it with a system built entirely from HTML, CSS, JS, etc. The only really useful office-style web app so far is Writely (and similar) but all they actually do is instantiate the built-in WYSIWYG editor within the browser. Not really a big deal. I've been using them for a while with CMS systems. The only really new thing is the word conversion which takes place entirely on the server (using plain old programming).

As expected, the first attempts at spreadsheets will be severely lacking since they actually have to create a spreadsheet... as opposed to just instantiating an already-existing WYSIWYG editor.

Though live apps are the future... some form of them anyway... it's gonna take a little while. And it's gonna be very different from what we're seeing today. And there's still the issue of security. On all the live apps so far, there isn't any at all.

Plus, as for spreadsheets, Spread32 has far more functionality than this online spreadsheet... beta or not.

So, while it's fun to play with these from an academic prospective (and, it *definitely* is Smile ) as far as actual usefulness... there's isn't much right now.

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hahahahahaha

Spread32 has more functionality then this, surely you jest sir! (My best British) Blum At least this opens Excel files that are past Excel 4.0 which is all that Spread32 does.

-Justin

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It can open em

But it can't do anything with them at all. So, it's really just a document viewer.

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well yea

There is the pre-release of the editor that can do stuff, but it is limited you are right. When it is finished though, I hope it will be full featured. How did you like my British? Blum

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Not True

@ John Tiddly Wiki Is an extremely useful browser app. I use The "GTD Wiki" in conjunction with the new local homepage feature you have for PFF. It is like so totally ridiculous Blum It's not ajax though it's just html and javascript

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I know

I'm familiar with it. I actually made a change to the most recent version of Portable Firefox specifically for users of TiddlyWiki (see Local Homepage option). But TiddlyWiki isn't server-based and it isn't AJAX... so my comment doesn't apply to it.

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Sorry... I thought you were

Sorry... I thought you were talking about browser apps in general. It's a great feature!

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CustomizeGoogle extension with Google Suggest

is the only AJAX I use regulary. CustomizeGoogle adds the Suggest feature to the search box and also adds Search on MSN, Ask Jeeve etc.
I cant live without that extension.
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Gnumeric 1.6.3 is released

Now that Gnumeric 1.6.3 has been released, maybe Portable Gnumeric can be closer to reality as more Win32-specific bugs are squashed in this release.

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Portable Gnumeric available here

It is available here and although most are in French like Portable SeaMonkey, Portable Gnumeric is in English:

http://fredericcombe.free.fr/download/portablesoft/mageti/

Haven't tried it myself yet, probably will wait until John releases his own, as mentioned here:

https://portableapps.com/node/1399

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