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Open Office vs Microsoft Office

If both of the programs were free or priced the same, which one would you rather get?

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Open Office

I purchased a 3-user version of Microsoft Office 2007 for my household, and after playing with it for a while and hating it, I uninstalled it. Started using Open Office and have not looked back.

Doesn't matter about free, open source, portable, or anything else. Open Office works better for me.

Jim

P.S. Wanna buy the MS Office 2007 from me?

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if you were seroiuse in selling??

hi wonder if you were seriouse in selling the office 2007??
is this you're email?
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i did send you an email.

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Why?

Why do you buy software before testing it? You could just install the trial version and find out you don't like it!

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Huh?

I wasn't aware that there were trial versions of Microsoft Office products. Surely you don't mean a pirated copy, do you?

Besides, I've been using Office for many years (probably since the early 1990s) and was most recently using Microsoft Office 2003. The new 2007 must be a lot better, right?

Well, the user interface has changed substantially. And it stinks. End of story.

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Trial Versions
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Irrelevant rhetorical

Irrelevant rhetorical question: Microsoft products are not free. Second, they are not portable.

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You totally missed the point...

He was trying to get opinions on feature comparison and reliability of both products. He put the "same price" thing so someone like you won't go and say what you just said. Saying that the product is free, or open-source, or portable or not is the only reason why you get it.

And the OpenOffice.org Suite from Sun's site, made by Sun Microsystems, is not portable. The OpenOffice.org Suite Portable found on this site was made by PortableApps.com USING Sun Microsystems OpenOffice.org.

It's the same as someone taking a MS Office 2007 and making it portable by "Thinstalling" it. It may not work properly because THEY modified it and THEY Thinstalled it, not Microsoft. Microsoft had nothing to do with that (although I have to admit if it doesn't work I rather blame Microsoft:-P).

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Since THIS site is the home

Since THIS site is the home of an official portable version of OOo, responding regarding the portable version is exactly relevant. And, thininstalled versions are not legal even if you also own a license to that very expensive package since it violates Microsoft's license. If you want to ask rhetorical, irrelevant questions, fine. But don't expect me to respond without recognizing the irrelevancy.

But, since you asked...
After 31 years of using personal computers, I would choose OOo over Microsoft for simply the much better archival capabilities. I well remember other operating systems and other applications to perform office-type tasks. I have no expectation that the current versions of Microsoft's products will remain the 'standard' for the future. The limitations of MSOffice to a single OS, the lack of good documentation of the file structure, Microsoft's inability to support inter-interoperability with it's other products (Works, Multiplan, and others) and Microsoft's high handed attitude toward users are sufficient reasons for me to choose OOo.

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The point is ...

He was trying to get opinions on feature comparison and reliability of both products. He put the "same price" thing so someone like you won't go and say what you just said. Saying that the product is free, or open-source, or portable or not is the only reason why you get it.

Actually it is. There are issues here beyond cost and uncumbered licences. Upper most should be trust. Do you trust a software provider to give you access to your own data? As anecdotal evidence of the right royal cock-up that can be had with proprietary software think educational institution that upgrades PCs in student areas to 2007, leaves staff rooms at 2003, and students have 2003 at home. Chaos! Student prepares documents in 2007 takes it home to work in 2003 and thinks their work is corrupt. Microsoft response is to issue a multi-megabyte update so hapless 2003 users could read 2007 files.

And the OpenOffice.org Suite from Sun's site, made by Sun Microsystems, is not portable. The OpenOffice.org Suite Portable found on this site was made by PortableApps.com USING Sun Microsystems OpenOffice.org.

You are using a highly specific definition of portable; limited to here. Sure the version of OpenOffice.org downloadable from here can be put on a USB and used on a variety of different Windows-based PCs but OpenOffice.org itself can be run on fundamentally different hardware/operating system combinaitons. Microsoft Office does not run on like that. That is a major feature that should figure in one's comparison. Some of us use more than Windows; I for one use Mac OS X and Linux on a daily basis and expect to edit the same document on all platforms -- including those of customers based on some version of Windows.

Your metaphor of "thinstalling" doesn't hold. OpenOffice.org is available in source code form. It can be modified by programmers anywhere. Even a thinstalled version of Office can't be changed outide of Redmond. Maybe you can't change OpenOffice.org but many can and do. NO one changes Microsoft Office who isn't working for Microsoft. Again it comes back to trust. You can trust OpenOffice.org because you can look at the source code, and compile it for yourself. Whereas you can't look at, not even permitted to look at, the sourceo of Microsoft Office. You can see what OpenOffice.org does; you have no idea what Microsoft Office does except by indirect observation.

You totally miss the point ... it isn't about one-on-one feature comparison it's all about trust.

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I think

that what he wants is precisely a one to one comparison based in tech stuff not in philosophy or portability or prices...

On my side, I like the option to download openoffice install from wherever I am and I don't have to go outside and buy a CD.

A couple of months ago a friend of mine called me with "help! I need to present a report and my excel is broken"... I just told her "google for openoffice, download it, install it and use calc until I have the time to go to your home and help you"... a person that never used calc before... she called me an hour later to tell me : everything is ok, calc works even better than excel"... Smile

BTW, I also like it because is smaller and faster.

But if you want a more detailed evaluation, I found this

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1 to 1 comparison

I think that what he wants is precisely a one to one comparison based in tech stuff not in philosophy or portability or prices...

Well for most things it's yes and yes to "does Microsoft Office have this?" and "does OpenOffice.org have this?". The areas where OpenOffice.org has to answer No are "does it provide a vehicle for Word-macro viruses to be written?" and "does it use Word macro language?" --- though in the latter case it can translate between Word macros and StarBasic when a document is loaded/saved and the security controls are greater/stricter with OpenOffice.org.

One point where OpenOffice.org beats Microsoft Office hands down is that of a database. OpenOffice.org comes with a database whereas in some editions of Microsoft Office do not.

And the bottom line comparison is the bottom line. Consider the cost. Microsoft OFfice is priced extortionately; OpenOffice.org is free (though you can buy StarOffice from Sun and get some copyright extras).

This comparison really is a no brainer. OpenOffice.org wins all ways and wins always.

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OOo here.-

Because it have more applications, and you can have just one icon (the main launcher) in your desktop (I hate to have icons on my desktop).

The only think I still don't know and that keeps me on M$ side most of the time is how to insert a picture and make the background transparent in OOo... as you know in M$ you just choose a tiny pencil in the bar and choose the area you want transparent... I still don't know how to do that in OOo... funny but it's the only think I still need to handle in OOo to definitively uninstall M$.

BTW, as an example... my CV in M$ Office weights 2.4 Mb, in OOo it's only 40 Kb... that's another reason... Wink

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How to do that in OO

in OO just insert a image file which has a background color defined as transparent in the picture palette. You can define a color as transparent for gif and png files in many image viewers. I use IrfanView, and it is also available portable.

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Simple choice; easy decision

If both were "free" then the choice is simple and the decision is easy. It would be OpenOffice.org every time. Why? Well free with OOo means open source; Microsoft Office would still be proprietary and closed source. Plus OOo is multi-platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD. Microsoft Office only exists for the first two. As a computing scientist I use the last five by choice so insist on cross-platform conformance. If another open source operating system comes out then porting OOo there will be easy; persuading Microsoft to make Office available well it hasn't happened with Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD so don't hold your breath.

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Hope this helps...

It is hard to get a straight answer on a forum for this type of question. Depending on who you ask you will get a completely different answer. It's the same as asking "Which is better PC or MAC". People have loyalties based on many different reasons, be it open source, history of use, features they like etc.

I have used both OOo and MS Office, and enjoy both. I do have more experience with MS office as this is what we use at work, so am slightly more comfortable with it. However I have Open Office at home, and never have I felt I needed to have MS Office for anything.

When you compare two or more competing software packages you will always be able to say, "this one does something the other doesn't" and visa versa. The bottom line is, which software package do you feel meets the majority of your needs.

I will assume you have experience using MS Office as it is the most popular. With that assumption download OOo and try it. My suggestion would be to try and use OOo exclusively for a given period of time (ie. 1 month) then you will really know what you may not like aboutit, or what you like better about it, compared to MS Office. You have nothing to loose as its free.

To answer your question directly, "Which one would I rather get if they were priced the same". My answer is definitely OOo... it is what I use at home. Smile

Hope this helps.

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MS Office hands down.

Why? For one reason- the cut and paste features of Open Office are horrible I paste one sentence and It immediately creates a text block that destroys the formatting of the page That is the only reason I can't use open office. Not won't, but can't. Anyone knows how to shut off that option?

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Simple solution ...

... if You don't want to break the existing format ans style simply use 'Edit -Past special- unformatted text' Smile

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yah, this is the same as MSO

If you paste previously formatted text in MS Word, it also drags in the formatting, which is why I always create a toolbar macro to quickly do an Edit-Paste Special-Unformatted Text in Word!

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???What ???

I have been using OOO for years i have the new 3.0 version on my computer. sometimes it has a txt box come up but mostley it does not. I can select everthing in the pasted txtbox, delete it then repaste it into and prob solved.

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Well there's also GNome

Well there's also
GNome Office
K-Office
Word Perfect Office
Neo Office
Star Office
Lotus Symphany
Apple Works

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FYI

Star Office is Openoffice.org with a different name... look!
http://www.petefreitag.com/images/blog/staroffice8beta.gif

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Sort of

out of StarOffice came AbiWord and OOO.

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you forgot

Ashampoo... Smile

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Also

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not all are for Windows

not all are for Windows

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What are you trying to say??

You can get OOo, and MS office on windows...

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no

He was talking about stuff like K-Office, and Apple Works

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I only use M$ office for the

I only use M$ office for the tablet Pc support. I hand write all my note in class on it, and until there is a great OS alternative, or OO.o support it, i'm stuck with M$ junk

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OOo!!! DUHH!!!

OOo Is waaaaay better. In file format and GUI.

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Ooo wasn't as good as MS in powerpoint

i had so many problems while editing, when i write something in a text box, and leave it i wont be able to editi it again!! everything else in Ooo was good but most of my work was on ppt, and not being able to edit my text.... mean no use of it.
Ps: does anyone know if i can run pptx (powerpoint 2007) on Ooo??

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I do this all the time in OOo

I do this all the time in OOo 3.0 Impress, both regular and portable editions. All you have to do to edit the text of a displayed, previously entered text box is to click on it to display it, enclosed with slanted lines. The text is fully editable.

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may be they fixed it, it was

may be they fixed it, it was edited once and then stuck for more than 10 clicks, it was a big problem, may be i'll give it another try.

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While I like OOo I have to

While I like OOo I have to say that overall Microsoft Office is better IMO. I use both regularly, and have a few reasons behind my answer. First of all is speed. When I double-click on a document to open it Microsoft Word opens in approx. 2-3 seconds where OOo usually takes 10+ seconds. Speed is also an issue in the program itself after opened. While I like OO.o's interface, it just seems too bloated and lagged down compared to Word. .doc files, although opened and editable in OOo, still don't render correctly in Word when the original file is created in OOo. The formatting is almost always messed up after saving in OOo then opening in Word. I have this problem regularly here in the office where MSOffice is the standard. OSS FTW, but OOo definitelty needs massive improvement.

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Microsoft Office Is Already Running

Microsoft Office is pre-loaded when Windows starts so it's actually already running. Most people don't know because there is no icon in the system tray to let you know that this is happening. OpenOffice.org has a QuickStarter that does the same thing but also adds a systray icon to quick launch and create documents. Since it is more noticable and a clear option in the setup, more people have it disabled. With QuickStarter enabled, staring a new text document takes about 1 second.

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I was referring to a local

I was referring to a local install. I don't use the portable version. The local install does give you the option to keep OO.o running in the background (with the system tray icon for faster loads, which I did, but it still can't hold a candle to Office on my Windows work computer.

It's a completely different story on my Ubuntu machine at home. OO.o loads in less than two seconds there. Biggrin

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Probably both

I'm not a programmer, so the "open software" concept is only half relevant here; and most of my uses are with Windows, so again the multi-platform environment is not terribly important here. So while I prefer the rather open format used by OpenOffice, I find it tends to bug often when opening a file for the first time.

So which one do I prefer? It depends.

Writer vs Word

Writer wins hands down except for a few points:
- Formatting images is harder as one cannot crop online.
- A few "standards" have been imported from MsWord, like the nasty habit of removing the formatting when one backspaces on an empty paragraph. It's almost like MsWord, except MsWord 2003 can be configured the other way.
– Page styles. It's a great concept, and it would be perfect if page styles were dependent on each other just like paragraph styles are.
– There are a few bugs in paragraph and especially character styles.
– Compatibility, when going back and forth with users that have MsOffice.

I should stress that Writer excels in complex documents with variables and especially in form letters that are as easy to do as they were with MsOffice 95.

Impress vs Powerpoint
So far, I have not been impressed by Impress. It's very easy to have slow transitions between slides, for instance. I tried with a couple of documents that work very well with Powerpoint 2003; the equivalent document doesn't work in Impress, even after I change the transitions to use native ones.

Calc vs Excel
Both functionally identical, except Calc is faster than Excel for repetitive computations on a 10-Mb spreadsheet. However, macros aren't mutually compatible, so I am mostly stuck in to Excel.

Overall, I have to say that MsOffice 2003 works as well for me as OpenOffice 3. For me, the main advantage of OpenOffice isn't its portability but the portability of the profile, i.e. being able to use the same default sheets, the same shortcuts, etc. But I really don't like MsOffice 2007.

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Why not...

Well OOo is free so if you already have Microsoft Office, whats the problem using both and after some time 9a couple of years in my case) take your own decision...

I have another example that happened yo me two nights ago (Saturday night)... I finally finished my Master of Sciences Thesis which is done in Microsoft Office 2003 (I hate 2007 interface, too confusing for me)... I finished, and after I saved it I was to reopen it to check the configuration of the tables... I saw a remaining tmp file which I manually deleted... when I was going to reopen the file before send it to my tutor word returned "the file is corrupted and can't be opened"... Horror!!! I relaxed, think a little and decided to try open office writer... the file opened and everything was perfect... I saved it in word again with a different name and reopen the new file this time in word... the file was perfect and half the size... Biggrin Biggrin Biggrin

That's why I love Open Office... It saved my ... day ... hehehe

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And don't forget ...

Yup, file sizes smaller but let's not forget the security risks with Microsoft Office. Incremental saves put sensitive information into undefined areas of the format that do not get "encrypted" with the basic password protetion scheme in Microsoft Office.

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OOo

Open Source for LIFE.
Also, I'm considering switching to linux, so then what do I do if I have M$ office??

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Oh.

D'oh. Why didn't I think of that?

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2 ways:

Easy way:
Use OpenOffice.org, most of the times it has all of the compatibility things you need. OpenOffice.org 3 even supports Microsoft Office's OOXML files (that are not actually XML). Also, with the next Microsoft Office and Windows 7's Wordpad supporting ODT most people will have no compatibility problems with your documents.

Hard way:
Install Microsoft Office under WINE. It might probably not work fully ok, and have really big problems to work, so my advice is you to install an older version and look up tuts online on how to install (only running the executable without any special instructions before will most likely give you a broken install).

From these 2 options you can choose your favorite one, I hope I have helped.

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I use open Office at home and

I use open Office at home and Microsoft at work and if I was honest I would have Microsoft rather than Open office.

This could be because I have used Microsoft office for years and am just more familiar with it, but I find it easier to do things in Microsoft. Simple things like navigating to the end of a spreadsheet (end in Microsoft, no idea in open office).

I also find Microsoft access (is that part of the office suite, it is on my works laptop) beats the open office version hands down.

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CTRL-HOME

Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End. Home and End alone are for moving within the same row like when using a proper text editor.

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Thanks for that

Thanks for that, bugged me for ages.

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Which version?

If you've used Microsoft Office for years and still like it then I guess you are not using the 2007 edition. If you are using 2007 then I don't see why you couldn't get to grips with OpenOffice.org; it's much closer to previous versions of Microsoft Office that the 2007 monstrosity is.

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You're right I use 2003

You're right I use 2003 at work so I can not comment on 2007, I still have that delight to come.

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openoffice.org 3 is supposed

openoffice.org 3 is supposed to be user-friendly to MS office 2003 because its more widely used in the U.S.

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PDF tools

The choice is decided by the PDF tools: I need Acrobat for my work. End of story. When each print run failure costs money, Acrobat is the only PDF tool claimed to be supported by the manufacturer, "free" tools don't tend to support CMYK print adjustments or PDF/X standards, and Word gives total integration with Acrobat...there really is no choice. It's kind of like CMYK in Photoshop vs. CMYK in GIMP. As spectacular as GIMP is for RGB, it's just a CMYK toy and not a tool for serious CMYK printers.

This isn't a slam against OOo because it is fantastic for many things I don't use (or perhaps understand). If I ignore Word's integration with Acrobat, Word 2003 and Writer are the same to me. I'd just be ignoring the most important difference between them.

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MS Photo Editor

If I could throw a completely different angle out there... I've had MS Office 2002 (aka Office XP) for a while now, completely legally, and while I've played with various Office versions that came after, I didn't keep 'em. There's one thing that's keeping me with Office XP, MS Photo Editor. It's a real simple editor I can use to crop, rotate, and add other effects. I know there are probably a dozen or more apps that do the exact same thing (and then some) but I haven't found one I like.

Beyond that, I only install Word and Excel from Office. I don't need the others and I very rarely use Word and Excel. I'd switch to OOo if I had a good Photo Editor replacement. It just can't have too many more features, e.g. The GIMP... I really just need a simple photo manipulation program like Photo Editor. (One feature it has that I couldn't find in a couple alternatives I tested was gamma adjustment - I use brightness and contrast at times, but gamma the most.)

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XnView

Xniew performs these operations and a lot more but is still really simply to use. Its freeware (Not OSS) so a launcher can be made for it by so far no one has Sad

Still for your desktop its a great solution. Also SmithTech created a portable version with the permission of the software author. There is a link somewhere in the forums. Also there is a portable version of the XnView that has all the functionality but doesn't to launch files with Cafe MOD or Portable File Associator. If you dont use these then should be rgeat solution for both your portable and desktop.

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I'm sorry

Not to be bias but i like MSOffice better. Impress was too far from powerpoint. Since i don't use word/writer and excel/calc, i cant comment.
I used OpenOffice before and i have problems opening .ppt files with animations.

OOo is free and that is a great advantage.

beyondgfw
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AGREE

Open Office is better, and it is free!

Nomcuaresma
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Presentation Music

How do you get a full song to play throughout the entire presentation?

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This works in both LibreOffice and OpenOffice

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3032#p...

Basically, if you have one sound file you want to add that will play through the whole presentation, you need to add it as a sound in the transition of the first slide.
In the left pane, choose Modify Transition>Sound Transition, and choose Other Sound to browse for your sound file. Don't click Apply to All Slides or it will restart every slide.

I made this half-pony, half-monkey monster to please you.

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