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March 14, 2009 - 9:47pm
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PAP Latency bug

Hi Guys,

Seems the new installer is quite a robust bit of soft, except for one thing..

..when I use the menu to install a program, when I click on the menu (PAP) after the installer has finished it crashes and sends to MS Error reporting.

This only happens after the installer finishes eg, TB or FF and only while the installer page is still open.

My feeling is it is to do with Vista's "did this program install correctly?" and shows that PAP and its' app's arent in full compliance with MS.

Hopefully someone here can ask microsoft about these bugs since all I can do is send them off. There is nothing more I can do except report it.

This isn't trolling it's bonafide bug reporting so take it as you wish.

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March 14, 2009 - 10:28pm
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Couple quick questions to help us help you :-)

* Operating system
* Admin Rights
* PAP (Formerly PAM) version
* Did you install fresh the PAP version or upgrade from a PAM or Mod version?
* How is it not working? eg, is it hanging, are you getting UAC screen?
* Do you have PAP installed to the root drive of the devices?
* Any other info you can give which might help?

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March 14, 2009 - 10:51pm
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- Vista SP2 - Rights assigned

- Vista SP2
- Rights assigned by OS
- PAP
- Fresh insofar as no files remained, I copied any old installs in the correct places
- No UAC only the Program Compatibility Assistant it seems, it only hangs if I click on PAP while the installer (sub-app) is still open
Root of C:

The PCA doesn't actually show but I believe it is this intervening in the process as it doesn't like the method PAP uses to install applications.

I hope you can help

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March 14, 2009 - 11:31pm
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I think...

I think installing to the root of C: may be your issue. Does the issue occur when you install to a portable device eg flash drive.

Though many apps still work I don't think it's recommended you install PAP to the PC's hard drive. I think with Vista's finicky approach this is especially applicable. I think John T. Haller would know a bit more about this than me.

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March 14, 2009 - 11:42pm
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Thanks Horus, I know I can't

Thanks Horus,

I know I can't install directly to C but my icon has changed since I copied the folder there after installing to the desktop.

I'll try it somewhere else but for me the root of the boot drive is the most preferable place since when I install windows afresh I can go back almost immediately to what I was doing which is why I like PAP so much.

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March 14, 2009 - 11:53pm
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Now we're getting somewhere

A fresh install of Windows preferably involves a reformat of the hard drive, which would wipe out PAP anyway. If you want to keep the platform on your hard drive, I'd recommend putting it on a separate partition if possible. Then if you reformat and reinstall later (not sure why you'd have to do this; Vista doesn't slow down over time like XP does), you can just format the C: drive without affecting anything on the PAP one.

The problem is most likely that under normal circumstances in Vista and later, you can't write to C:\. You can create folders there, but that's it. Try turning User Account Control off temporarily; if the problem goes away, then installing it to C:\ is your issue.

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March 15, 2009 - 12:42am
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Thanks Bruce

I don't choose to reformat since as you'd know it wipes the Program Files and User Folders anyway and archives windows.old so there is no genuine need.

If UAC is doing it then I understand so, would there be any way around this?

I note the new default permissions given to everyone bar system, I think this is good and has made windows more secure but stops me doing everything I want.

Maybe I'll try Run as Administrator and see what that does.

I like UAC don't get me wrong it's like a fork-in-the-road type routine but admittedly it perks up in relation to far too many things which shouldn't be it's business.

Thank you all

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March 15, 2009 - 1:22am
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...

UAC will pop up for anything that requires access to a system-wide setting (like the date/time). There's no way around that due to the way Windows is designed under the hood. Windows 7 will improve the situation a lot though, since by default it won't prompt when you change settings, only when you run programs that need admin rights, like installers.

Run as Administrator might work--try it. I don't recommend turning UAC off as it will compromise the security of the OS (turning it off essentially makes Vista no more secure than XP).

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March 15, 2009 - 1:27am
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@ Bruce

"I don't recommend turning UAC off as it will compromise the security of the OS (turning it off essentially makes Vista no more secure than XP)."

Is that really so bad? Not being sarcastic Im an XP user and am a lil jolted by your implication that XP is dangerously unsecure.

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March 15, 2009 - 2:14am
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Vista is safer, stronger and more secure

this is a fact of life and I will never turn off UAC no matter how annoying it is because there is always something it will pick up that you weren't thinking about and it's like a second chance.

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March 15, 2009 - 8:16am
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The problem with XP

is that unless you specifically change it, user accounts have full admin privileges by default. While the same is true in Vista, programs only get full privileges if they're elevated. This is like the best of both worlds: Under UAC, userland programs only get normal user rights in most cases, and only get full admin privileges if you elevate them (installers and such will automatically be elevated, but you still have to approve it). In XP it's all-or-nothing: You either run full admin or deal with the annoyances of a limited account (not being able to change settings or install anything without switching to an admin account, etc.). This is such a hassle that most people just run full admin--which is very dangerous.

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March 15, 2009 - 9:20am
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Cool. Thanks for the info.

Cool. Thanks for the info. For a home PC with a single user or just friends and family using it, shouldn't be any issues.. I think Smile

Thanks again for explaining what you meant.

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