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Forum Guidelines Thoughts

I just realized I hadn't offered up a commentary thread on the Forum Guidelines after I had updated them last month. As the site has gotten more popular, there have been a few more advertising-type postings popping up here and there. The Forum Guidelines are an attempt to keep the forums friendly, personal, and ad-free... while still allowing commercial entities to respond to postings specifically about their products and entities releasing open source programs to make a product release announcement or two a month.

The guidelines thread is locked, but if you have any comments or suggestions, please make them here.

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Couldn't you have just unlocked the Guidelines thread? That's what I would have done, instead of creating a new thread and adding more cruft to the forums... Smile

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Thought about it

But they're going to be modified here and there. Whenever any modifications are made, I'll post a thread explaining them and ask for comments at that point. I want that guidelines page to be a single page located at portableapps.com/forums/guidelines and stand on its own. Perhaps it should be a non-forum node (ie, just a page... like About Us or Support).

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In order to take the workload off yourself to get rid of the spam, you could implement some type of moderator system on the forum....

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Some suggestions:

Lurk and Ashes.
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lol

I appreciate that vote of confidence Ryan, but this looks like a big job. I agree with your opinion on Lurk, though. And maybe Bruce. Smile

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You'd be fine

It can't be that hard. Plus you'd probably have Lurk on your team anyway. Oh yeh, and Bruce.
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Forum Guidelines Thoughts...

Can i just ask about the requirement for apps to be open source?

im part of an unamed to ensure compliance with forum rules developement team, who for the last 3 years have been developing a 3d rts orpg its free to play, free to host and encourages community involvement but is not open source... as you are probably aware open source in online multiplayer games is never the best idea unless you want abuse/cheating to occur.

anyway its completely portable and very small in file size so would be an ideal game choice to fit on a usb stick.

would like to tell the community here about it, being a recent convert to portable apps myself but do not want to break the rules... advice please if this would be acceptable Smile

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Pin on tracker

You should pin this to the top of the tracker somehow.
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Can't

Pinning is only within forums. But it's linked to at the top of every page where someone submits a forum topic. Bold link. And a bold "you are agreeing to be bound by all forum guidelines".

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Nobody ever reads the guinelines these days. For anything. I think because of companies that insist on having 20-page license agreements for their software and websites, nobody wants to read the terms and conditions for anything anymore.

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I aggree

I don't read it unless I am using money in some way (e.g. hosting, eBay etc) or unless it's for an email address. Mind you, I still didn't look at the Gmail T&C cause I trust Google.
You could hack the template and add it that way.
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How To

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Question

You know the whole $10,000 USD fine thing? How would that work?

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Probably

His lawyer would work that out, but I'd say via a tax invoice.
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Limitations

I don't understand why this forum sw is so limited. No deleting of duplicate postings, no emoticons, limited support for html tags accepted by all browsers, ie <b> etc. It is the most limited forum I have ever seen.

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I agree

I hate making a comment and having it appear way up in the "stack". Also, I've seen numerous times a thread had a new post in it and I can't find it in all the other posts.

A move to something like Simple Machines or Vanilla would get my vote.

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Because it doesn't have a

Because it doesn't have a formatting system like BBCode, it has to use HTML, and of course, for security reasons, it has to be very particular about what HTML it will allow.

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Any ideas?

Well, I've been flagged down by John for self-promoting my Portable Apps site several times, but f.e. Espreon has a link to his Portable Apps site in his signature and nobody seems to care. What gives?

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Acctually....

Ryan had talked to hi about it a couple of times. He should be fixing it.

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But Ryan himself has a link to his Portable Apps website in his signature...

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But...

what I can read John has flagged you for actively promoting the site, when he has already stated he will work with you to bring your linux apps here to portableapps.com. So to me he is trying to stop a site that mirrors what will be here and is trying to recruit you into portableapps's linux part of the site. As you can re-read here. Just have a little patience work on your apps, so when he is ready to go live, you can get them added. It will be ready when it is ready.

Maybe if you email John and talk with him, he might be able to give you a little more info than what you can get here on the forum.

AS for Esperon and Ryan, let Ryan and John handle that, they are the moderators. Let us just get good apps built and ready to go when the time is right.

Email me if you want to talk further. Smile

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Yeh

Didn't seem to take much notice though Wink
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Personal + Apps

You're only allowed to link to a personal website. If it happens to have apps, that's fine. But you can't link to a site that's not either your own personal site about you or a blog in your signature.

Incidentally, what you were flagged for was self-promotion outside the signature.

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So,

So, I can put my own site in the signature even though it has the Portable Apps for Linux? Yes, it is a personal site, and I do not have any other members.

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Yup

But maybe with a shorter link title. The goal is to keep signatures from detracting from the overall flow and readability of the forums (since users can't choose to hide them like they can on, say, Slashdot)... which is why the example links are "My Blog" and things like ASCII art aren't allowed.

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How about this

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Alright, I've already told you about 20 times that you can not link directly to a non-personal site. It appears, at this point, that you're purposely trying to test my patience.

This is an incredibly simple guideline to follow. Personal site. Personal blog. That's it. Short link along the lines of "My Blog" or "My Site". I will not talk circles around this or explain it again. This is your last warning before you receive a temporary ban.

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Difference?

I see no difference between the signature I showed you, and for example, Ryan's signature. I'm not getting it.

John, I'm not trying to infuriate you, OK? I'm just setting things straight with what exactly I can do. 2 Posts ago, you said that i can put the link in my sig, and now you're yelling at me because I put it in there. Sad
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ok....

Here is the difference, when you post directly to the portools.com, that is not your personal site, it is a site for portable app for linux, a software site, not acceptable. But when you post to your portools.com/geek, which you have above, that is you personal site, a blog, that is acceptable.

the first is pushing your linux site on others, while the second is a "I am here and my opinions are here" kind of site. That is the difference.

Use the second link and everything is fine, use the first and you have a problem.

On Ryan's,it is his personal blog site, it just has separate pages where he can add downloads. that is how wordpress works.

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Ah

So I can have a link to My Blog and my blog can have a link to Portable Apps for Linux in its links toolbar, right?
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What is...

on your blog is your concern, just do not link from here. you can link to the blog, just not the other site.

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Also

Thanks, Duece for the good info!

Also, one last question: Can the blog be about Portable Apps for Linux?

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No, it cannot

Once again, the word is "PERSONAL". A site about portable apps for linux isn't personal is it? A blog about portable apps for linux isn't personal either.

Your own personal blog (a blog about you and your thoughts) or your own personal site (a site about you and the stuff you do) is fine. Everything else, leave it out of your sig.

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Cool

Are you saying I can't have an entry or 2 or 3 about Portable Apps for Linux in my blog? Or that the whole thing can't be about Portable Apps for Linux?

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You can....

AS long as you talk about other things as well, such as how you learning is going to other topics in the computer world, if it is just topics on different port apps, and nothing else, that is a blog about port apps, not you. Understand?

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Yes

Yes, thanks for the clarification.

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