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December 5, 2013 - 5:07pm
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pdun459
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Please share your tips to increase backup speed to flash drive

Hey all. I've been using Toucan for awhile now and was happy to stumble upon this forum as I'm having an issue I was hoping to get some feedback on.

Backing up a 3 GB folder with video clips to a USB flash drive takes forever. It starts by making a file list, then copies a few files and then stops again and eventually starts copying again. It repeats this process over and over and takes about 30 minutes to finish. I was wondering if this sounds like a normal amount of time for a folder of this size using 7zip and no compression? If not, can anyone recommend some ways to speed it up?

I really love Toucan and prefer it over the others I've tried; I was just hoping I might be able to speed it up a bit. I'm currently using 3.0.4 but I tried 3.1.2 and it's about the same speed.

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December 6, 2013 - 5:06am
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I think that is due to the USB drive

I think that [the time it takes] is due to the USB drive.

As you are backing up direct to the USB Flash Drive, you would not be getting the "big" copy speed that appears on the packaging.

ie: If you were copying a single 3GB file to the USB flash drive it would probably take (at a guess) about 4-5 minutes?

But when you write smaller files to a USB flash drive the transfer speed can drop significantly.

There are programs to test the read/write speed of USB flash drives - https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/crystaldiskmark_portable is the one I use.

question: if you just do a straight copy and past of the 3 GB folder with video clips to the USB drive, how long does that take?

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December 6, 2013 - 4:41pm
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I tried backing it up to the

I tried backing it up to the desktop then copying to a flash drive, and also to a DVD. It was a little faster overall but it's probably not enough for me to abandon the simplicity of just backing up straight to the flash drive.

I know it's the flash drive slowing things down; it only takes two or three minutes to backup to the desktop. I was hoping someone might a know a trick to speed things up but I guess there's only so much a person can do. I've got my flash drive formatted NTFS and optimized for performance but I honestly don't think that helps that much really.

Anyway, I'm glad to see Toucan's getting further development. I'll be staying tuned to see what goodies might be in store. Smile

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December 7, 2013 - 4:50am
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A couple of suggestions

Hi there Smile

This:

It repeats this process over and over and takes about 30 minutes to finish

Looks like a bug which I think I've fixed in 3.1.1, so if you see that in 3.1.2, I'd be interested in your backup log to see what's going on there, or detailed instructions to reproduce that.

As far as the performance goes - Grantwhy has got all good suggestions.

I'd add that with perceived performance problems it's paramount to stick to the numbers and strictly describe the testing conditions, to have some meaningful optimization done or a conclusion that's impossible.

If you want to pursue that - let's run two experiments:

1) Use your backup job configuration to backup somewhere onto your HDD, save the log file;

2) Change only the destination - to your flash drive - and run the backup job again for the same set of files, save the log file;

3) Post your log files here or on pastebin or wherever and let's analyze if there's anything else than just a slow flash hindering it for you;

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December 7, 2013 - 11:00pm
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Hi alt. I ran two backups

Hi alt. I ran two backups with 3.1.2 and saved the logs which I've posted below.

The first one's for the HDD. It took three and a half minutes with maybe two or three short pauses.

The second one with my flash drive took 23 minutes and stopped & started eight times. The logs don't show the pauses, it just shows the complete list of files.

The exact size of the folder I archived is 2.96GB. I used no compression for either test.

Appreciate your feedback.

20:28:42 Toucan 3.1.2
Date: 2013-12-07
Computer Name: PD-PC
Operating System: Windows Vista (build 6002, Service Pack 2)

Creating file list, this may take some time.

7-Zip Angel 9.17 beta Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-10-04
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December 8, 2013 - 11:10am
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Ok, thanks for the logs, I

Ok, thanks for the logs, I think I understand what's happening there.

That "start-stop" thing - you probably mean the list of files flowing in the log window, right? It goes on and then may stop at some point and then conrinues, is that what you mean? If yes, then that's a known "behavior" (don't know if that's a bug or not) - someone has mentioned this for an older Toucan version and I also see this sometimes. It has nothing to do with the actual packing though - purely a screen update thing. It's reportedly also related to mouse cursor movements inside the log window - the list continues to flow after you move a mouse within the window. Feel free to submit a bug on that Smile (here)

As far as the speed is concerned - based on the log the HDD speed is about 14MBps, flash drive is about 2MBps - pretty typical numbers for big number of files.

I don't think you could do anything with this other than buying faster flash drive Smile The only one thing I can think of is setting up a combined backup+sync job, which would first backup the files to your HDD (archiving them into one file) and then sync it onto the USB drive (which would increase the average HDD->flash drive transfer rate because of no need to work with many files) - but I'm not sure how much that will help the overall job time, to be honest.

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December 8, 2013 - 2:41pm
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Everything is OK :)

When I backup then sync, or just copy, to the flash drive, it ends up taking about 15 1/2 minutes (3 1/2 for the backup then 12 for sync, 12 also for a straight copy. 12 minutes for a 2.96 GB file doesn't seem that bad really. I think Toucan must take a little longer since it's doing more than just copying. So after all of this I believe Toucan, and my flash drive, are doing a pretty good job, it's just when I archive straight to the flash drive it takes a little longer. Really appreciate all the help. Smile

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December 10, 2013 - 12:35pm
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David Simpson
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I have 2 different USB 3.0

I have 2 different USB 3.0 drives. One is about 3 years old, the other is new, and one of the fastest made.

You would not believe the speed difference. (real world (write some files, then launch an app, or updating PortableApps) use maybe 10 times!) The old one isn't really that slow, it's just not one made for speed.

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December 10, 2013 - 12:50pm
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Varying Speeds

USB2 or USB3, drives vary A LOT from one drive to another. The only way to properly compare them is to use something like CrystalDiskMark (we have it in the app directory). It'll show you the read and write speeds for both large files (reading or writing MP3 files, videos, etc) and small files (using portable software that frequently reads and writes like browsers and email clients).

Sometimes, the impossible can become possible, if you're awesome!

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