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LibreOffice v5 x64

Will you do a portable version of the new v5 x64 version?

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No

We don't do 64-bit only apps, so it would have to be a combined 32-bit and 64-bit release. This would be huge and offer almost no benefit over the 32-bit only release as there's no noticeable difference in speed between the two. Remember, most 64-bit apps offer no benefit over the 32-bit versions.

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There are a lot advantages

There are a lot advantages for 64-bit versions.
A bigger one is ASLR works much better which is important especially for an office product.

I will test if it's enough to replace the exe files with the 64-bit versions when you release a 32-bit version.

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Dear god (couldn't resist,

Dear god (couldn't resist, remember you're the dumb fscker [1] that chose the name)

I didn't see any advantage in the 64bit version here.

I suppose there are some situations where it may provide a clear advantage but given the nature of portable apps I think JTH (local version of an approachable god) is making more sense than you.

The install would be approaching double and disadvantage people with file space issues for an advantage that is uncertain.

Also, why, given that by definition portable apps should work on as many systems as possible would we want to limit that very thing?

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A lot?

You said "There are a lot advantages for 64-bit versions." You gave one minor advantage. Another very minor one is working with >2GB files (exceedingly rare). I'm waiting on the lot of them.

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A lot of advantages of 64-bit-programs ...

... can only be found by comparing a given program in both 32-bit and 64-bit code.
And in the first place: "My friend, all theory is grey." You have to use a program in order to evaluate whether it "feels" better, i.e. it is more responsive etc., in 64 than in 32.
Admittedly, I do not have tested LibreOffice_64. I generally avoid installing programs, esp. when they (as LibreOffice) contain far more than 10.000 files.

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not an argument

this is conversation not argument, for me.
Most people probably use LO for WP and some SS, it isn't a good DB solution on its own.

The arguments are something like:

If your document or spreadsheet needs 64 bits or performs noticeably better when using 64 bits you are doing it wrong Smile

and *that* is before you get to practise on someone else's system and go through the hassle of finding out you've clogged your USB/whatever with something you can't use, which *is* after all the main point of PA even though many of us use them locally.

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You don't do 64-bit only apps?

John T. Haller wrote:

We don't do 64-bit only apps, so it would have to be a combined 32-bit and 64-bit release.

See:
https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable

At the moment (13.08.2015), you offer two different files:
- Version 44.0.2403.155 for Windows
- Version 44.0.2403.155 x64 for Windows

WM wrote:

If your document or spreadsheet needs 64 bits or performs noticeably better when using 64 bits you are doing it wrong.

Why it is my (resp. the user's) fault when 64-bit-code performs better?

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Test Version

Like Firefox Nightly x64, it's a test-only version, not intended for production use, unsupported, and if it becomes stable, it will be as a dual mode 32-bit/64-bit Chrome Portable package, which will be over 300MB installed.

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64 bit software runs better on 64 bit system

Sorry, John, my personal experiences show that 64 bit LibreOffice (Writer) is noticeable faster than a 32 bit LibreOffice _on the same machine, with the same files_!
Those files were normal documents of RTF, DOC, DOCX format and of everyday sizes (20-500k). Faster operation means 20-30% shorter start of app, 20-30% faster load, save of document etc.I mean, the difference has been clearly noticeable.
The rig has been an i5 with 4GB RAM and Win8.1 64bit. Experiences were similar on an other PC of Win7 Ultimate 64bit and 4GB RAM.

While I agree, that it is far from unbearable slow to use 32 bit LibreOffice on either 32 bit or 64 bit systems, I suggest to consider to release a 64 bit Portable LibreOffice. If somebody tries to run it on a 32 bit system, s/he will get a proper error message.

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Available at the source

LibreOffice 64bit v5.0.1 is available from the publisher. But before you go and run to install it, there are pros and cons:

– It allows one to access very large files. But I would NOT recommend to edit a 2-3 GB file if you run the program from a USB key.

– The 64bit file is 20-30 MB larger.

– If you ever happen to use your PortableApps on a 32-bit computer, LibreOffice 64bit won't run.

Therefore, 32-bit programs provide an additional advantage in a Portable setting.

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@mgagnonlv why?

@mgagnonlv why?

– If you ever happen to use your PortableApps on a 32-bit computer, LibreOffice 64bit won't run.

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64-bit apps require 64-bit Windows

Because 64-bit apps won't run on 32-bit Windows. 64-bit apps require 64-bit Windows. 32-bit apps run on 32-bit Windows and 64-bit Windows. That's one reason why most apps are 32-bit. One app that runs on all Windows installs.

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Ah OK. Thank you

Ah OK.

Thank you

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It's a matter of choices

I also, like others, don't think this matter has to do with arguments, nor with technical issues.
It's only, actually, a matter of (legitimate) choices.

People at portableapps.com can obviously build their packages as they like.
When a software is natively available in both 32 and 64 bit versions, they can build (1) a 32 bit portable version only, (2) a combined 32/64 bit release or (3) two different separate releases, one in 32 bit and one in 64 bit so that each user can "install" the one he considers more suitable for his OSs and needs and preferences.

Whether they choose solution 1, 2 or 3 depends, indeed, on what THEY consider more suitable for their needs and preferences.
As users (especially if non-paying ones...), we obviously have no right to complain for any choices they make.
We can only, at best, express some opinions and requests of ours, always thanking, anyway, for what they do for us.

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