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June 18, 2007 - 6:56pm
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Patrick Patience
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Servers/HTML/PHP and All That Good Stuff

So, right now, I have a domain off of my dad's site, it's

"paddy.sunnyoasis.com"

I've only actually spent less than a couple of hours working on it, and kindly, ZGitRDun8705 has made me that awesome logo in many high-quality sizes, as well as some other things.

But anyways, I have some questions, because I'm buying a new domain right now, I'd tell you what it was, but then I'de have to kill you. Smile (Not really, but I still won't tell you.)

So, does anything have to be set up on the site before I can actually upload the pages? What's all this stuff like "Ubuntu Server" and Apache, MySQL, and much more, I have a general idea, but I don't know how they all work together. I currently only know basic HTML, and use a web editor most of the time, cept for a few things. I am trying to learn PHP, which is also partially HTML base or something like that, right? So I wan't to know, do I have to set up anything particular for HTML, my dad will probally do the basics when he gets me the domain. Second, can I Setup Apache and all that myself? And what does it all do? Third, can I have HTML and PHP on the same site? That's all for now.

Thanks for your responses in advance.

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June 18, 2007 - 8:28pm
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I don't know about all of that stuff...

(But "Beginning" is spelled with 2 G's and 3 N's )

Anyways, I want to learn about this stuff too. I've got my own site as well, but it's just a Freewebs account about my photography. (Shameless Plug: www.freewebs.com/portfolium )

However, I'm looking to get serious soon, and either get a job so I can buy Windows XP Server, and run it off my home comp. (if that's possible)

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June 18, 2007 - 8:59pm
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Haha.

I know about Beginning, someone mentioned it to me this morning. I have the pages fix, I just have to upload them when i have a faster internet connection.

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June 25, 2007 - 3:49am
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Righto

I'll try and give a simplified explanation for you.

Let's imagine a website as a restaurant.
A domain name is nothing but a pointer to your actual site. (Table number)
A web server serves the pages to the user and does a little processing. (Waiter)
PHP is the real processing meat of it. It processes your code. (Chef)
MySQL is where some of the information is stored. (Note: you can have a perfectly good site without MySQL) (Paper with order on it)
Ubuntu Server is an operating system, similar to Ubuntu, except customised for being a full server. (Restaurant building)

For your circumstances, you most likely won't need to know any of this, as you only need to know it if you want to set up a server yourself.

To give you an idea of how a domain name works: When you visit my domain (cubegames.net), it looks up where cubegames.net is located - my host. It then says to my host, please give me the details for cubegames.net. My host then returns the information.

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June 25, 2007 - 11:30am
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Haha.

Okay, that actually worked.

So, my dad will be setting the site up, and he owns, or rents servers.

He uses Apache A-Patch-Ee to power his site, corrent, power, run the whole thing? This is the same as Ubuntu Server, or Windows XP Server Edition?

And MySQL, My Sequal, is a database, to store information, that can be passed back and forth through excel files, etc?

Correct? Did I understand him and you?

So, if I get him to but a domain and set it up for me, then him or me can set up Apache to power the site, and I can easily upload the PHP pages? Can I use Dev PHP for now? And will MediaWiki work on that kind of setup?

Thanks.

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June 29, 2007 - 12:14am
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He uses Apache A-Patch-Ee to power his site, corrent, power, run the whole thing? This is the same as Ubuntu Server, or Windows XP Server Edition?
Apache would be running within an operating system such as Ubuntu or Windows XP Server Edition. Apache is a "daemon", i.e. a program that runs in the background and does stuff.

And MySQL, My Sequal, is a database, to store information, that can be passed back and forth through excel files, etc?
Doesn't have to be Excel files. Think of MySQL as the Windows registry.

So, if I get him to but a domain and set it up for me, then him or me can set up Apache to power the site, and I can easily upload the PHP pages?
Apache would already be installed on the server. You would have to make sure that PHP is installed (just ask) and it would be best to not have it running in CGI mode, as some stuff doesn't work with that.

Can I use Dev PHP for now?
Use whatever you want Wink

And will MediaWiki work on that kind of setup?
Yep, Mediawiki is powered by PHP.

Patrick, you probably won't need to worry about Apache or Ubuntu or anything (PHP setup, MySQL setup, etc), they will already be on the server. You only need to concern yourself with the actual PHP files. I can send you a copy of what my site looks like to give you an idea of what to do.
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June 29, 2007 - 1:27am
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Okaaaay.

Thanks lol.

Umm, I would like if you send your setup.

You can spam this e-mail. mono_purpura(at)hotmail(dot)com. I like to keep the GMail one clean.

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June 29, 2007 - 7:33am
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OK, I'll send it in the morning.
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June 29, 2007 - 10:19pm
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Sent

I've sent it.
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June 30, 2007 - 11:47am
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BTW, Jumba (Ryan's hosting

BTW, Jumba (Ryan's hosting provider and soon-to-be mine) provides PHP, MySQL, and I'm pretty sure they run Apache too. (Too lazy to find the info again :wink:).

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July 5, 2007 - 3:02am
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Yours?

You do realise that they are an Australian company? Or are you going to get one of their new US based servers?

Oh, and yes, they provide PHP, MySQL, Perl, Python and run Apache.
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July 5, 2007 - 8:39pm
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Their new US servers . Yes,

Their new US servers :wink:. Yes, I know they are Australian. I still have a few things to work on, but it should be up in a couple months.

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July 8, 2007 - 2:13am
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Damn!

I'm on one of their old US servers. Hopefully, they'll offer a simple upgrade plan Biggrin
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