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OpenOffice.org Portable 2.2.1 Pre-Release *3* (Testers Needed)

Final Release Posted, Topic Locked:
https://portableapps.com/news/2007-07-05_-_openoffice_portable_2.2.1

I've just posted OpenOffice.org Portable 2.2.1 as a pre-release. This has the new java abilities of the 2.2 pre-release. It also adds in the full set of fonts included with OpenOffice.org. And it's packaged in a PortableApps.com Installer with the ability to upgrade a 2.0.4 installation. Read more in German

Java Instructions (Same As Last Time)

Java is not yet GPLed, so it can not be hosted on SourceForge. Nor can it be repackaged due to licensing. So, you'll need to supply your own. To enable Java, copy the Java files from a local install, usually C:\Program Files\Java\[version number](eg.: 'C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_11'). Copy the whole structure intact (so you'd have a lib and a bin directory in this Java directory when complete. Copy those files to either of these locations:

?:\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\Java
?:\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java Download

Please download it, try it out, and post any feedback:
Download OpenOffice.org Portable 2.2.1 Pre-Release 3 (Updated July 2)

(may take a few minutes to hit all the download servers)

UPDATE (July 1) PRE-RELEASE 2: New installer to handle low space condition on upgrades. Also, the new installer script isn't in the zip file (it was left out... so it's still the old one inside), so it's linked here. Also, the installer used and posted still includes the Data and Java directory in the size calculations, I'll be posting one that does not tomorrow (actually later today). It's done, but I need sleep.

UPDATE (July 2) PRE-RELEASE 3: New installer to handle low space condition upgrades that now correctly calculates whether the app will fit by excluding the Data and Java directories from calculations. Please try it out and post your results.

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Will not upgrade

Looks like i cant upgrade when there is not enough space 182.8 but i already have OOo installed. will i have to remove it first?

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It won't let you continue?

It won't let you continue anyway?

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No

No the button stays grayed out. I assumed it was because of space. I only have 129.4 left on the drive.

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install

Well looks like the install went fine space is no longer a issue.
Thanks for all the good work

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Works great

Leaves nothing behind.
Lots of people will be sooooo happy about this :).
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german

i seen that an pre release 2 of the german 2.2.1 is available from here

here

but can someone explain to me what mp and op in the downloadlink means ??

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Python

mp=mit Python
op=ohne Python
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thx a lot man

greetz

edit:
if i load the openoffice from stick it doesnt recognize my Java on the stick until i
set the path manually in the options.
I put my java1.6.0 directory in the
x:/CommonFiles/Java path and put the javaportable.ini in it.

so what have i done wrong ??

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javaportable.ini has to be in \OpenOfficePortable\App\Java.
If thats not working, could you post your javaportable.ini?
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then this is not correct or?

Copy those files to either of these locations:

?:\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\Java
?:\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java

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Sure it does

I just tried it with the same version of Java you are using. Are you sure you're copying just the contents of the jre_1.6.0_01 directory and not the directory itself?

Also, keep in mind that it will usually NOT show up in the OpenOffice.org Java options window. It'll just use it.

Best test is just to fire up a wizard. Without Java, these won't work. I just did so on a system with this pre-release and Java 1.6.0_01 within it. Worked like a charm. Please double-check all your steps. And be sure your path isn't too long (which breaks lots of things). The best bet is X:\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable

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my fault

sorry it works tried the python makros and it gives me no java missing error now.
i had typed javaportabel.ini

sorry thats a stupid mistake but looking at it so often i dont even see it before

sorry guys for this and thx for fast support

*shame*

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I thought the same thing..

...that the user is copying the whole jre1.6.0_01 folder and not the two folders inside that folder to the portable app location.

To spell it out better for other users the paths should be:

..\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\Java\bin
..\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\Java\lib

NOT

..\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\Java\jre1.6.0_01\bin
..\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\Java\jre1.6.0_01\lib

If you use the CommonFiles directory method, the correct paths are:

..\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java\bin
..\PortableApps\CommonFiles\Java\lib

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How to check your Java version

For those of you that may be out there that don't know how to check your Sun Java version, here's what to do:

Bring up a command prompt window
Type in "java -version" (no quotes) and hit [Enter]
You'll get something like the following appearing. The Java version in the quotes is what you're looking for (bolded below) to use in the .ini file mentioned above.

java -version

java version "1.6.0_01"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_01-b06)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0_01-b06, mixed mode, sharing)

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Seems to work, but did find one thing

The program itself seems to work good so far, but I did notice one thing.

Just after the initial setup box (the one with the GPL and the option to register) closes it shows the standard OpenOffice.Org splash screen.

The PortabeApps splash screen shows up on all future launches.

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Nope.

The blue OpenOffice.org splash screen has always showed up for me while the program was loading, and of course the PortableApps.com splash showed first.

But I'm pretty sure it's spos'd to show, perhaps not?

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I stand corrected

I guess I stand corrected...I just opened it again and the openoffice.org splash screen did show this time.

Probably wasn't paying attention before now.

Sorry about that.

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Supposed to

The OOP splash is timed so that it fades into the standard OO splash screen (you'll not that the word OpenOffice.org is in the exact same place and that the splashes are the same size as opposed to the other portable apps which use a slightly different splash). It's designed so that on slower drives, the user receives quicker feedback... though on the slowest drives, the OOP splash will disappear before the OO splash appears. On normal drives, one should fade into another. On faster drives and secondary launches, the OOP splash is all you'll see but it should go away about as the OO window comes up.

I'd played with the timing of this all quite a bit to ensure the best end-user experience about a year ago.

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It doesn't on mine

It doesn't for mine, even on my hard drive. I wait about 10-20 secs before the OpenOffice.org splash screen comes up.
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Huh?

Is this on first launch (which is always slower as it's creating your person settings setup)?

OOP launches in 6 seconds for me.

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Mine

is first launch.
After that the whole launch takes bout 10 sec and they blend one into the other.
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Yeah, that's about right

First launch is a special case. It takes much longer to start than usual. So, the whole fading thing doesn't apply. Otherwise it would be up too long in all other launches.

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It was...

But it took longer on second run, around 7 seconds until the OOP splash and 37 seconds until the OO splash Biggrin

Oh, and I get a bunch of "Configuration data in [blah].xcu is corrupted..."
Any connection between the two?
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Your path

It's your path. OO doesn't like certain characters in path names. Like the number 22, which will cause that. Only X:\PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable is officially supported. You place it anywhere else and OO could bork for no logical reason.

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It should be written

It should be written somewhere Pardon
It's a very unexpected behaviour, what is the problem with writing it universal?
Do other apps have the same problem?
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It's OO, no OOP

And they don't mention it either. It's an oddball bug. They also don't mention the fact that your path can't be too long, either, though I have the launcher checking for that and warning now. There are a number of path bugs in OO. I'm not trapping them all or detailing them all on an installation page. So, no, it's not gonna be written anywhere except in known issues, which is where this HAS been written since I started posting OOP on this site:
https://portableapps.com/support/openoffice_portable#known_issues

The primary place to install ALL portable apps is within X:\PortableApps\ which is why all the installers default to there. If you want to get more creative, that's fine, but you're on your own. Same reason there are apps that don't work quite right unless you install them to C:\Program Files\

The other apps don't have this problem, to my knowledge... except dollar signs, with LOTS of apps don't like in paths. This is a problem in OpenOffice.org's code and not something I can fix with a launcher.

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Yes, but

It doesn't contain the number 22. Anything else? I'm running it from a sub-folder on my desktop. I always use spaces in the names to make sure it works and I use a file called C:\Documents.exe to alert me whenever I have forgotten the spaces.
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Try some combinations

Recreate the exact directory structure that's failing on another drive and then try playing with it a bit to figure it out. It took me a while to figure out the length issue and put a check for it in (it usually only crops up on a desktop... afterall, why else would you have 120 characters in the path to a portable app?).

Email me your full path and I can try it out, too. If we can figure it out, I'll have the launcher trap for it.

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And while you're at it, read a few more emails Blum
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Same here

10-20sec break between the 2 screens.
Running it from HDD so speed shouldn't be a problem Smile
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No breaks here

I'm also running of a HDD and I have no breaks, in fact, I don't see John's splash screen, I just see OOP's for about 2 secs and that's it.
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Works Perfectly.

John,
You're a genius! Instructions and app are fine.

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Could we release now?

Hi John,
no problems at all with the RC version.
It would be great if we could release now.

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Nope - Installer Issues

The installer needs work due to the failure to install when performing an upgrade on nearly full drives (it's the very first comment here, if you missed it). If there's only, say, 80MB free but it's an upgrade, it won't let you install. Even though the upgrade would be overwriting the current install and would only need another 10MB.

I could disable the space check, but then it would fail and only 1/2 install if the drive actually doesn't have enough space (which was also a major problem with the 7-Zip self-extractors... and one of the many reasons we're not using them any more).

I'm working on a fix. I have one, but it would involve hacking NSIS, which I'm not willing to do. I have another, but I'm still working on the code for it.

There will be an additional 3 string in the installer to translate. I'll post them when they're ready.

But, no, OOP 2.2.1 is definitely not ready for a full release due to this bug. While this bug affects all apps using the installer, it's really only OO that will be an issue due to its sheer size (181MB) as this would render it impossible to upgrade an install on a 256MB device and most folks with 512MB or 1GB would likely encounter it as well.

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idea

is it not possible to check if OO is already installed on strick by seacrh for?
and then the installer will stop the space check?
and if no OO is on the stick installer compares available with needed space John ?

im no coding genie i dont know if u could do this Biggrin
so only an idea

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Already have that

I've actually already completed that much in the last hour. It's only about 15 lines of code. It skips the space check on an upgrade. But I'd like it to figure out whether there is enough space in that case, too... or at least approximate. I'm about 1/2 done with that bit. Working on it now.

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Think I got it

Well, I think I got it. It took some interesting logic to check, but it should be a good approximation of whether it will install or not. I'll refine it later. I'm uploading now, which will take about 1/2 hr (thank NYC's antiquated infrastructure for that one).

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Suggestion: It would be good

Suggestion:
It would be good to have the java path configurable. Some people use directory structure more complicated than (...)\PortableApps\AppDir. (Actually I'd have it in (...)\OpenOffice\..\..\..\lib\java\jreVersion). Environment variables or relative paths would do the trick.

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OpenOfficePortable\App\openof

OpenOfficePortable\App\openoffice\program\components\xptitemp.dat seems to be only a temporary copy of xpti.dat. So you can delete it.
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100k

It only saves 100k. The scripts I use to compress auto-compress only specific extensions. And BIN isn't one of them. I was debating updating it to do BINs, too.

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You have a script?

Would you be able to post it if possible please. Biggrin

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upx *.exe *.dll *.cpl

upx *.exe *.dll *.cpl *.scr
;->

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Don't forget

*.sfx (executable in 7-Zip)

There's a bunch more you could try...YMMV.

irc, acm, ax, drv, qtx, qts, vwp, so

BTW: If that's the extent of your script, it won't iterate thru subdirectories. Also, running all files thru UPX won't hurt anything (AFAIK) and that will compress the "oddball" executables in some programs (like the file extensions I posted above).

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Yep, not too much, but

Yep, not too much, but definitely better than nothing. Why not?
BTW, do you always leave icons uncompressed? You could sometimes shave off a bit.

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Pre-Release 2 Update

I've updated to Pre-Release 2. This updates the installer to handle a situation where there isn't enough room on a drive for a full install... but you're upgrading an existing install, so you don't need the full amount of space. It should be accurate to within a few MB unless you have Java installed. (See the first comment in this thread for details of what the issue was)

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Download link

John,

I tried the download link several times and it doesn't work.....I keep getting the prompt that the server is down. Thought I would let you know.
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Downloading now...

If you had waited for me to get online, I would have said, DriveSpace minus GetSize.
I'm guessing that's what you did.

Edit: And I second the fact that I can't download yet. It must still be distributing to all the mirrors. Which should it be on?
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SF Issue

It was a typo on my part... the link is fixed now.

And look through the code. It's DriveSpace + GetSize(current install Dir) - SectionGetSize (MainSection). Otherwise I'd just let NSIS do it.

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Ah, good

I'll grab a copy in a minute.

I couldn't, since I couldn't download it Blum
Wouldn't DriveSpace + GetSize give you a larger amount than the drive? Especially, if the old OOP directory was bigger than the new one?

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Nope

Think about it. We're upgrading an existing install. Say it's a drive with only 50MB free. And the current OpenOffice Portable install is 150MB. And let's say the new OOP is 160MB. A standard NSIS installer won't let you install, since it thinks there isn't enough space. But, there actually is, since we're replacing all the existing files... it only needs another 10MB.

So, if we discount the current 150MB install, then there are actually 200MB free. Subtract the 160MB for the current install and we have 40MB left (or, the extra 10MB we just talked about).

Make more sense now?

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Oops, I was assuming you were getting the total space for the drive for some reason. Biggrin
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Great Job!

I've created a German package, based on Your last installer.

The installation (update on a stick with 53 MB free space) works without problems!

If Your final version for the installer is available I'll make the German package and put it to the server.

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Pre-Release 3 Update

I've just posted pre-release 3 which should be the final release. This version of the installer now correctly calculates whether OOP will fit on a nearly-full drive when performing an upgrade. It takes into account the current free space, current install space, new version install space, existing data space and existing java space and calculates whether it will fit or not. There will still be some inaccuracy due to size on disc issues but those should be negligible unless there's only a couple MB free.

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Download in progress ...

... and test report and the German version coming soon Smile

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waiting for the german release

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German version available ...

... see 'Read more in German' on the top of this page.

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works fine

ok installed german version yesterday

no probs so far

nice job guys Biggrin

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So, does this installer

So, does this installer include the java as well? or is there java licence still restrictive when it comes to stuff like that?

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Nope

Java is still closed source and can't be hosted on SourceForge, Google Code, etc. And it's under a license which prohibits modification / repackaging.

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Please read the note on the top

No, Java is not included!

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The only reason I asked...

The only reason I asked is because the discription of pre-relase 3 calculates the amount of space needed for java too, and that could be interperted as the installer includes java as well. Sorry for asking for clarification on that.

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Not really

It does say "Java is not yet GPLed, so it can not be hosted on SourceForge. Nor can it be repackaged due to licensing." which is kinda hard to interpret any other way.

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Ok, I get it already....

Ok, I get it. As I said earlier, I was looking at the 2nd and 3rd pre-release that stated it calculated the space needed for java and I was just asking for clarification on if the new installers included more then what the first installer did.

Again, my appologies for seeking clarification. Perhaps I'll think twice now before asking for clarification in the future.

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Reason

The reason it does this is so if you happened to have copied Java in yourself, it correctly calculates whether or not you have enough room to upgrade OOP or not if your drive is nearly full (the installer leaves your Java copy intact... so it subtracts that from it's free space without OOP calculation). That's why it's mentioned as part of the installer.

Please don't purposely try to raise the tension level with sarcastic statements like "Perhaps I'll think twice now before asking for clarification in the future.". It's not called for here. In an online medium, ALWAYS give the other person the benefit of the doubt on whether they were making something a personal attack (they usually aren't). Especially when you're dealing with someone making something for you for free... unless you want them to give up and get burned out... which often happens in open source.

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DAMN IT!

Now I have to download the whole thing again. *mumbles to self: Damn ADSL and Wireless connection*

Any chance you could upload the Installer.nsi by itself? Please? *looks at John with puppy dog eyes (something like this* (Oh, and while you are at it, reply to a few emails, like mine for example Blum )
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Bug: Deleting dictionaries

On my former installation of German OOoP 2.1 the default DE/AU/CH dictionary files where present. In addition I did install English [US/UK] & Spanisch [ES/MX] spellchecking, hyphenation dictionary & thesaurus files. All those additionally files where deleted after upgrading to German OOoP 2.2.1 Pre3.

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John,

OpenOffice pre-release 3 kicks butt....no problems so far......thanks for all of your hard work.
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Don't know what's happened ...

... because the German Pre3 come with the DE/AU/CH dictionary files.
And nothing but some other non needed files will be deleted by the installer.

Some questions:
*Which version of OOoP 2.1 German did You use?
*Did You install the additional dictionaries as admin for all users or in user mode?

I have checked with OOo 2.1 RC2, installed en-us and es spellchecking in admin mode.
No file of the dics was removed by the installer.

Let me know the answers in order to check what's Your problem could be.

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*Which version of OOoP 2.1

*Which version of OOoP 2.1 German did You use?
?? The one I downloaded from http://portableapps.de/

*Did You install the additional dictionaries as admin for all users or in user mode?
Admin/manually: Copied from a local installation to 'PortableApps\OpenOfficePortable\App\openoffice\share\dict\ooo' and edited the 'dictionary.lst' handish, this list is also overwritten by the installer OOoP Pre3.

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I'll check it ...

... but keep in mind that portableapps.de is independent to portableapps.com.

The version should be the same as offered by oooportable.org and I'll check it.

But why don't You use the Wizard's for the dic add job?
And by the way, if You perform an update (installing the new version in the same directory as the old) older files will ever be replaced with the newer one (but not deleted automatic)

By the way we should move this to https://portableapps.com/node/7758 cause this(at the moment) a problem with two German versions...

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I could not find this problem.

* OOoPP 2.1 from portableapp.de installed
* dictionaries manually copied like You posted
* OOoPP RC3 installed in the same directory

==> all dic files are still present, nothing was deleted.

It seem to me that's not a problem of the installer or the used version before update, I could not reproduce this problem.

Please try it again with a fresh install of the old version and the new RC3.

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... me too ...

But why don't You use the Wizard's for the dic add job?
... because copying some files and adding some lines is much faster than using DicOOo (the OOo servers are veeery slow sometimes)

I could not reproduce this problem
... me too! Installed OOoP 2.1 on another stick, added some files and updated OOoP 2.2.1 Pre3. All files are present, only the *.lst is overwritten. Don't know, what happened there ...

Sry, ZAP

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good news :-)

... whatever the problem was, it's not a problem in general.
The *.lst file is overwritten with the newer version.

To prevent this You should install (or copy) the dics to the user directory instead of share or to backup the old *.lst before the update an restore it then.

Thank You for the quick reply!

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OOo 2.1 RC3...

...is working fine for me, quick start up on my Xeon system. Look forward to its release as soon as possible.

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Working Well for me!

Despite the small manual work (w/ Java) for installation, everything is working fine on my end!

You should check with Sun about getting a license to include Java as I know that OpenOffice has an installation package that includes it... but it might a separate installation deal.

Can't wait for a full release here!

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John is working something out with Sun, but it's all very hush-hush.
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