I just downloaded portableapps and all the portable applications except for XAMPP and Man-on-Stick and installed it on my 2 GB Pen Drive, and boy it's one great software suite one can die for!!!! I just love it. I have one problem though and that's why I am asking this question- is it essential that one has to download and install every update and upgrade of portable applications as soon as they come out? I am asking this cause' the internet connection and downloading cost out here is damn costly and I cant update/upgrade all those portable applications I have in my portableapps suite as soon as they come out.Someone was telling me that every update/upgrade is necessary as it addresses the problem of bugs but I want to ask that if I update/upgrade all my portable applications in the portableapps suite once in 4 to 6 months,would that be sufficient? or do I have to install every update/upgrade as soon as it comes out? Well I think I have repeated the same thing several times, so now you know that it's one big problem I have here and am waiting to get some answers on this forum.Thanks
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With apps that use the internet (e.g. Firefox or Miranda IM), I would recommend updating with every release. With others (e.g. Notepad++ or Abiword), it is not as vital, though I recommend updating with major releases. I have asked John (more than once) to release launchers alone and to make update packages (like an archive with files that have been changed) to cut down the data I would have to download in order to update, but he refuses.
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And I responded saying that I CANNOT do this for Firefox, Sunbird and Thunderbird for licensing reasons and that it's pointless to do it for other apps like OpenOffice.org, Notepad++, etc since I only update when there is a program update... which means you need to download the whole app anyway. If I were to release a large app like OOo and then realize there was a critical launcher bug, I'd post both a new package and an update package (small and just updates the launcher)... I've done so in the past.
1. Don't make it sound like I'm just refusing for no reason.
2. NONE of the projects on which these apps are based provide 'update' files like you'd like. It's simply not done because everyone assumes everyone has unlimited internet access. That and the fact that it's extra work that takes away from development. I realize not everyone does have unlimited internet access, but there's not much I can do about it.
Complaining about it every time it comes up and trying to make me sound like a bad guy because I won't somehow magically change the way all this software is compiled and released accomplishes nothing.
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Hello Mr. Haller,
I am sorry if I have offended you with my question,I had no such intention and as I am a novice user I don't know the knitty-gritty of Computer world and am just an end-user.In fact I mentioned it earlier that I found portableapps one of the best software applications around. I think you misunderstood my question and intention and I can make it amply clear that I appreciate the hard work and genius put behind making portableapps happen.I don't know the licenses and agreements of the applications hosted on portable apps and they must have in their licenses put restrictive clauses regarding trademark and distribution because of which this cannot happen. Well I have no problem downloading the portable applications and I would do so, I also subscribed to the monthly newsletter so I would come to know of the latest updates/upgrades and download them accordingly. I as a user of Portableapps thank you for creating this great software and am once again sorry if I have offended you as that was not my intention.
His response was directed at Bahamut not at you. The information in his post answers your question, but the defensive tone was most likely directed towards Bahamut, because every time the update topic is brought up, Bahamut asks John again if it is possible, or announces that John refuses to put effort in to make it possible. As John said in his post, it isn't possible.
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It was directed at Bahamut (see how it's a reply to him because my comment is indented below his) because he brings this up every time updates are discussed and refuses to accept the reasons that are posted... each time trying to make it seem like I'm simply refusing to provide update files for no reason.
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I only brought it up to warn the OP not to ask you like I did. Where in there did I ask again?
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A fact that the original poster made no mention of at all, so there was no point in you bringing it up yet again... other than to try and tweak me again for 'refusing' to do what you want (even though it's either not allowed or doesn't make any sense).
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The thread title is Regarding Updates and Upgrades of Portable Applications. Seems related to me.
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No, it isn't. He asked about updating apps. Not about partial update files that can't be done. In fact, you're the only one that keeps bringing this up over and over.
Since you simply won't accept (or even bother to respond to) the reasons I give for not doing update files (some aren't allowed, some make ZERO sense), just stop endlessly bringing it up. It's been addressed and answered. The topic is closed.
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I know you won't do it. I'm not asking you to do it. In this thread, I have not once asked you to do it, nor have I brought up any of your reasons. I only wanted the OP to know that you won't so that you don't have the same discussion again. That is all.
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We wouldn't have had that discussion again because that is NOT what the poster was asking about. He was asking about updating apps to the new version, not about partial update files... absolutely NOTHING about partial update files. You're the one that brought it up, yet again and again and again.
So, once again. The only apps that make sense to partially update are the ones that auto-update (FF, TB, SB) and I *CAN NOT* release launchers only for those due to licensing restrictions. All the others, releasing launcher-only updates makes no sense at all because you have to update the whole app anyway, since there are no partial updates or built in updaters for the apps. Why is that so incredibly difficult to understand?
Now, PLEASE, stop bringing it up and making lame statements like "...but he refuses".
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So, once again. The only apps ... Why is that so incredibly difficult to understand?
It's not. What is difficult to understand is why you keep giving reasons when I haven't asked you to do it again. I'm not going to. Whether I agree with you or not, I know that you won't change your mind. That is precisely why I have not asked you to do it again. You gave your reasons to the OP, and it should've ended at that. Instead, you had to say that I bring it up all the time and that I'm trying to make you look like a bad guy. I'm sorry if I did make you look that way, but it wasn't my intention.
Bottom line: I won't ask again (that was the intention the whole time) and I won't mention it ever again. I'll let you deal with it if you get asked by someone else.
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The newsletter is not sent out yet. Because John is so busily with this sight and all of the wonderful new apps he's be releasing like crazy. He needs a life too :smile:. However the RSS feed is runing great. It will tell you of updates and stuff like that. If you don't have a RSS reader I would recommend Ryan's RSS Owl Portable or Firefox has one built into it if you use Firefox. I have used both and think Owl is better. By the way welcome to the sight!
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Thanks Bahamut and I also wanted to ask another question in regard to the question that I had asked earlier, is it possible somehow that a portable synaptic type application can be installed on the portableapps which has a list of all the portable applications available for portableapps suite and of all those installed, and as Firefox on desktop prompts with every update, it can prompt about updates and upgrades whenever they are available while a person is logged on to the internet and is also running portableapps and can update/upgrade all the portable applications on portableapps suite which are available at that moment including the launcher and if possible itself whenever updates/upgrades are available,and also list those applications that are available for portableapps but not on the individuals portableapps list so that one can easily tick on those applications one wants to install on his/her portableapps suite and the lists can be revised when this application updates itself along with other portable applications.Is it possible? And thanks again I will surely update those portable internet applications I use most often whenever they are available but I don't know whether I will be able to update/upgrade other portable applications as well.
Use PortaInstall with the Monthly Newsletter. PortaInstall didn't worked for me, but it may work for you. PortaInstall is just an PortableApps Installer that WASN'T made by John. It DOESN'T tell you which apps are installed, it DOESN'T tell you if there are updates, it DOESN'T uninstall apps like synaptic, and it is about all. I would like an PAM Synaptic too (I use Adept).
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the monthly newsletter isnt in use (i never got one since i am here), I use this RSS feed to know about updates. I have it check for new stuff every time I start my Thunderbird.
Maybe thats something for you.
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