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PortableApps.com Wikipedia Page Development

10/15/07/ - UPDATE: We're currently working on a Wiki article about PortableApps.com. If you're interested, you can head over to the link below and begin contributing. Please make sure you make use of all of the content from the stories on the News Page. If you do use content from an article, make sure you properly cite the info on the page. You can find out more info about all the formatting and citing, etc at Wikipedia.org. Please feel free to contribute, and try your best.

PortableApps.com Wikipedia Page Development Page

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Actually...

Actually it says "This article or section seems to contain embedded lists that may require cleanup." not: "should not included the list".

One of the biggest problems is avoiding it becomes a page of listed links.

I think its not advised to add all Beta's as a list Smile Maybe these should me not in a list but in a sentice form.

Some statements in the articles should referenced to the in the news pages.

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Now it says it is a

Now it says it is a candidate for speedy deletion.

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Need to follow the

Need to follow the instructions and explain it's "advertising" for open source software...no money is exchanged, etc, etc...

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I say we get editing it fast!

Who's ever interested, gather up all the meaty info about PortableApps.com you can, even though we know it all, we should have lots or sources.

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It's been deleted

Well, it's been deleted now Biggrin

I'll see if I can get a nice big page up later about it.

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I hope Patrick has a backup copy of the page

I hope Patrick has a backup copy of the page.

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OK, someon's screwing with us on Wikipedia

There was a link to the Wikipedia page for "PortableApps.com" on the Wikipedia page for "Portable Application".
According to the edits history, that link was removed and replaced a couple of times before the article itself was deleted.
The external link was removed in 27SEP07, but that may be because there was an article in Wikipedia itself.

I've put the external link back on the "Portable Application" page as so:

PortableApps.com - Collection of Microsoft Windows portable applications, well known for its strict adherence to using only free and open source applications.

I made this half-pony, half-monkey monster to please you.

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It's funny because

I put the {hangon} tag, and he deleted it anywho.

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Just sent a msg

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Ahhhg!

What a *itch.

I say we format a new article, and when it's ready, post it back there

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I agree.

We need to make sure it is ready for prime-time before posting it. That seems to be the biggest pet peeve of the wiki's. (sounds like a magic thing) :lol:

It says something about a sandbox. Is that also accessible to other users?

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I'll install MediaWiki on my server

It'll be at /portableapps once I upload and install. You can begin editing there.

Edit: Done, anyone's who interested, go to http://nascent-project.org/portableapps and begin editing the main page for a future page to publish on Wikipedia. This page is UNOFFICIAL and is in no way affiliated with PortableApps.com

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Don't you mean

Don't you mean http://nascent-project.org/portableapps ? I'll start editing it right now, and I will try to provide the most info possible in a way that it is a quality article (but I never worked with wikipedia or similar *afraid*).

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Yea,

I changed the link before you edited, but one minute, the wiki's messed.

Fixed. Smile I did a move instead of a copy

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Content

I would be willing to help with content.

Layout would take me awhile.

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Thanks

For layouts, just look at other software articles. It helps.

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Question

I have a question: do we edit the main page or create a new article to display the PortableApps.com Wiki page? I have some ideas and I am not sure if to do that.

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Main Page

Just edit the main page, it's easier to go to instead of having /portableapps/portableapps.

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Started

I started editing. I said that I was not an expert on the job, but I saw Wikipedia's Edition Guide and that helped a lot. Sorry for the non-existent links, but when the page is added to Wikipedia, those will get a reason to be there.

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Nice

It's looking like a good start.

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Need help with citations

I can't seem to get the format that wiki wants. I have referenced this page, but it seems to keep giving me a goofy format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_templates

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Personally

I haven't quite understood it yet either.

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I will figure it out

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I think

You're both. Blum

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I think

I think that it is because the template isn't set up yet. Copy it from Wikipedia and maybe we will have some luck.

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Didn't work

Didn't worked. I copied some of the templates and it didn't work. Please delete this page and this page.

EDIT: More templates, more misery. Please delete:
http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/index.php?title=Template:Tl
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http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/index.php?title=Template:Cite_we...

I feel so bad :(.

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Dude,

You're doing awesome. I don't understand it at all either.

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I explain

The tags (cite web) are calling templates. Probably those templates aren't provided by the wiki, but wikipedia made them. All that is necessary to do is to add the necessary templates and dependencies of them, that the cite web tag will appear correctly. But if the cite web tag isn't showed on your wiki, doesn't mean that will not show on wikipedia. It only needs to say "Template:Cite web" on them main page to probably appear correctly on wikipedia.

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Hey, that's exactly what I

Hey, that's exactly what I posted below yesterday! Wink

(Patrick needs to install the cite php extension to mediawiki)

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Yeah

He said he would when he can. He is studying. (He better be).

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Some minor Problems

There are two external links in the text:
History - John Haller
Community - forums

This external links should be removed in order get the wiki page back to wikipedia, because if not the page will be on the spam radar again.

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citing

Isn't there a fine line between spamming your site's link and citing a source for an encyclopedic article? (Just wondering ... I suppose I could go read the wp docs.)

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John chimed in

John has chimed in to the person who deleted our page. He gave a very convincing argument and "Richard" said it could be reposted if it was cleaned up and noted properly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richardshusr

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Nice

Smile

And also, like Richard says, cite all the sources. So as I said before, use lots of sources from the news page.

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If if find anything that I

If if find anything that I can help in, which I probably won't as it looks great so far, I'll add. Also, nice sig :lol:.

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Thanks

And haha, yeah.

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History

The history section does not say much about it's history. From what I've heard, it all started at the Mozillazine forums with John giving others the option of running the program from an (16MB) usb drive. From there it has evolved to the PortableApps.com page that we know today.

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It's a Wiki!

Go edit it. Blum

If not, just leave a not below that section saying to include it.

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Wiki

Yeah, this whole "Wiki" stuff and "editing pages" is VERRYYY new to me. I think I'll just stick to learning more about my work related apps than learning html, php and whatever else you internet guys know. Besides, I'm not really good in making a sentence or paragraph look professional, and I don't want the page to look like a five year old wrote it.

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Did some editing anonymously

I rearranged the list of apps to look more like the "Applications" page (with categories). I think we need to add the rest of the apps on the Applications page to finish that section off (for now until links are needed)

Added a few news links to the bigger news outlets. For some reason the "normal" way to add a link wouldn't work right:

*InformationWeek - [USB Flash Drives Mobilized http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199906066]

Instead I went with what you see currently. It's a start...

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OK, I think I have an idea

OK, I think I have an idea why the {{cite}} stuff isn't working, we need the templates that are (probably) used in the Wikipedia.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates

Thjat page tells you how to create a template and then use it, well, the link about on {{cite}} only tells oyu how to use the template so therefore I assume it's "built in".

Once the page is actually in the Wikipedia, the {{cite}} code *should* function correctly (famous last words...). We won't know until then though.

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Thanks for Re-Arranging

The list.

Also, yea, that makes sense.

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Wrong syntax

URL first, then link title. It is probably linking to /portableapps/USB from what you have put there.

Also, I'm going to edit a lot of this now and add relevant stuff. I'll also add some templates to the wiki.

Patrick, can you install the cite extension, so that works? We'll need to add a few references to assert the notability.

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Yea

Later tonight, sorry. Off to school.

Edit: Should be installed now.

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I poked around in the

I poked around in the wikipedia IRC chat to find out how to download the original page for reference and they put it back again including the "considered for deletion" part so I (and others) can download it for reference if needed and maybe already put some edits online. I was unable to find out what exactly would make this page better though.

Some things that might help:

- The introduction should perhaps not bias around promote and develope but more about a short description about what PortableApps is.
- Listing Beta's is not needed in my humble opinion.
- Do not link to apps of where there is no wiki page available.
- Try to keep the content encyclopedia like (a programm instead of a great program for example).
- Try linking terms as usb flash drive to the wiki by [[usb flash drive]] etc.

Maybe the PA-Wiki master might already put a few changes online to show the page is worked on to improve.

Keeping the page from being deleted makes sure the historical edits are preserved.

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All good ideas.

All good ideas.

gj Ryan figuring out we need that extension to make {{cite}} work. I was looking for the original template wiki code...I guess it's in that php page.

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Nope.

Although, we'll need the Cite extension to work properly on it (<ref> tags and the rest), that's just a template. Therefore, it would live at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:cite

Edit: Use <ref> tags instead. I think they are supposed to be used instead.

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Agreed

But, Maybe the PA-Wiki master might already put a few changes online to show the page is worked on to improve.

What to you mean?

And - Do not link to apps of where there is no wiki page available. I'm against that. This is how new wiki pages get created.

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I ment

What I ment was maybe put some changed content on wikipedia to show the page is being improved.

Having it improved a bit already shows the community is preparing an improved artitle. This might (although I don't know) keep the page from being deleted (again).

btw. Speedy deletion (from wikipedia) is not very appropriate, escpecially when a page is out there already for a while and has numoures edits.

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