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October 15, 2007 - 1:37pm
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Two high quality 3D games, in PAF

Hello, I am Ben Anderson, President of Cubex Digital Entertainment. We have been busy formatting a few of our high quality free games for use in the PA.com environment. They are now available to download for free.
[Moderator RM: Links removed as per comments below. Open source them and put them in real PAF format and you can put your links back]

Please try the two games, Rolling Stone and Air Hockey 3D, as well as the utility Chalk Board, currently in beta.

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October 15, 2007 - 1:44pm
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Free=Open source?

If not this violates the forum guidelines. https://portableapps.com/forums/guidelines

No Self-Promotional Posting - Posting about your own software or websites in an online forum is a form of spamming and is not permitted here. If you make a self-promotional post, it will be edited and your account may be disabled. The exception is if someone asks a question directly related to your product. In addition, if you are releasing an Free, portable, open source (OSI-approved license) individual application that is not a fork or clone of an app hosted here, you may make a post when you do a release. The code for this product must be available from the page you link to in your post and your product must properly attribute contributors (so, if you're basing a launcher on a PortableApps.com launcher, for instance, you must credit this on your product page similar to the way the Acknowledgements on this site are posted). These posts must meet the following criteria:

* short - postings of a paragraph or so, along the lines of the quick notices posted to the front page of PortableApps.com
* simple, friendly language - press releases and marketing-speak have no place in the forums
* infrequent - weekly postings would not be permitted. but one or two postings a month would be fine (this limit is per company/website/entity... all programs and employees/developers that are a part of that entity are counted together)
* properly categorized - beta announcements would go in the beta forum. requests for assistance would go in the development forum.
* program-focused - the announcement should pertain to a specific software release. it should not be advertising your company/website/entity.

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October 15, 2007 - 3:41pm
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Not Open Source

They are not Open Source from what I see.

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October 15, 2007 - 3:57pm
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From the guidelines...

The code for this product must be available from the page you link to in your post
I don't see any links to source code on the site. And I don't see any source, source information, or even a license included in the archive.

Produce the source code or be treated as a spammer.

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October 16, 2007 - 11:25am
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SPAM

this is spam get it deleted
had like a day to get source code

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October 17, 2007 - 4:14am
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Um

You need to calm down.

Some people have lives and don't get behind a computer every waking moment of their lives.

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October 17, 2007 - 8:01am
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hehehe

You're right...

BTW, the games are fine...

But... We must insist... You need to make it open source to post it here...

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January 1, 2008 - 5:06pm
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I apologize

I apologize for the long delay in getting back to this. I have been very busy with work and school.

First of all, I cannot see how one would post a link to their program for beta testing without being "self-promotional." Am I supposed to have someone else post it?

Secondly, I was not aware that only open source applications are allowed. The Development page only says:

"Free applications with a commercial license (Internet Explorer, Opera) permit you to redistribute an app, but not to modify it. Open source license, on the other hand, allow you to both modify an app and redistribute your new version, making these the apps that are the most likely candidantes."

It does not say that freeware is not allowed. Since I have personally coded both games, I do not see how this is wrong. There are no licenses included with the games because I guess I am more trusting of human beings and less concerned with potential legal issues. And since my programs do not do anything except what they say they do, I have nothing to worry about as far as people getting angry with me.

This is a ridiculous idea in the first place. There are many quality applications available as freeware, including mine. Why you have narrowed your users' options artificially in this way is beyond me. If someone chooses to use non-open-source software then they should be allowed to. Most users will not even know the difference. The vast majority of Firefox users, for example, are not coders, programmers, or hackers. They are just users, and they could care less if the source code is available to them. To limit the choices of your users is to inhibit their experience with your product.

I cannot fathom why you would want to keep a few fun games out of the hands of your users simply because I am not allowing people to steal my hard work, copy it, and pawn it off as their own creations. If these applications were nothing more than prototypes, I would be happy to provide the sources. But they are the results of months and months of hard work. I will not put them out in the open for all to see.

So not only am I apologizing to you for not getting back to this sooner, but I am also apologizing to your users. I am apologizing that you are keeping them from experiencing the full extent of your own product. I hope that they know how to use Google so they can find my games themselves.

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January 2, 2008 - 2:50am
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No

You can self-promote, but you're application must be open source software under an OSI approved license.

That little quote from the development page may be a little confusing, but it's only saying that 'redestributable' apps are usually legal to make a launcher for, but not always. The forum guidelines still says you can only promote open source apps in the forums, the development page is just talking about personal development.

This is not your site. The owner of this site believes in open source, is part of the 'Open Source Community' and therefore chooses to only promote open source. If this was you're site, you could tell us whether or not we can promote freeware, but we choose to promote open source, because it provides 'freedom' as you can read from many of Stallman's licenses and writings.

Edit: Wait 'Free applications with a commercial license (Internet Explorer, Opera) permit you to redistribute an app, but not to modify it. Open source license, on the other hand, allow you to both modify an app and redistribute your new version, making these the apps that are the most likely candidantes.' It's saying that free applications are not good candidates because you can't modify them, and that Open Source apps are the most likely candidantes.

Lol, sorry, had to point out that typo, mod might wanna fix that when they get a chance.

Edit 2: Also, if you could please put your website from your signature into the website textarea on your account page so it will show up beside your name. Site promotion is not allowed in signatures.

Thanks.

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February 1, 2008 - 2:30am
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Still

I understand that I am in no control over the content of the site. That said, I still think it is a poor decision on the part of the website owner to restrict his users' experience with his product.

I've moved my website from my signature (although I'm not sure why this is important).

Also, I don't need to have you host my apps on sourceforge, I have my own hosting. The apps are available through my website already (where they have been for quite some time).

Is there an unofficial list of applications that includes freeware somewhere else?

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February 1, 2008 - 5:26am
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It's simple... First of all,

It's simple...

First of all, Open Source software will enable us to create a full PAF compatible installer and launcher without the restrictions of the license. Also having Open Source will enable us to re-distribute the software like putting the PAF on sourceforge or on a collection.

There are other sites specializing in freeware for USB sticks but I personally don't use them as their notion of 'portable' is less strict and they might still leave registry entries and/or use the host pc to store some settings.

So please know that most of us desire Open Source software and that's why we are here. Freeware can suddenly change direction by becoming shareware. Also Open Source can help in having a bigger and better product in the end by people participating in the development. This, for me, is one of the biggest attractions of open source development.

So it's just a case of Portableapps.com being a great source of open source (and portable) applications. So the forums do need to reflect that. I hope you understand.

About not allowing a link to your website in your signature I think is a little strange too. I consider it a kind of restriction of community building, but it's not my call to make. Maybe John is afraid people start posting just for the sake of the URL in their signature hoping for a bigger link back rating in search engines, I don't know.

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February 1, 2008 - 5:32am
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Yea

PortableFreeware.com may be a good place to submit them. They list a lot of portable freeware applications.

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February 1, 2008 - 8:10am
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There is support for

There is support for freeware/commercial apps in planning, the PortableApps.com project started out as open source only, but currently the project manager is working to support freeware and commercial apps. Lots of legal stuff to sort out because of the open source nature of the launchers used, and the closed source nature of freeware/commercial apps. Be patient and you may see your apps here some day.

PS: I'm surprised nobody really mentioned that yet, its been ongoing for quite some time. Its true that open source is preferred, and currently we can't legally support freeware and commercial apps but there is progress being made so we can do so.

PPS: A website link is not allowed in a signature, but is allowed to be set as your "homepage" to appear as a link next to your user ID in your posts, not sure why, but those are the rules.

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February 1, 2008 - 11:48am
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Self Promotion

The self promotion rules were put in effect to avoid the whole "omg try my awesome app" posts we were getting more and more of. This is the most popular portable software site in the world, so we'd be getting quite a lot of spam posts if that rule wasn't in effect.

The links in signatures follows the same idea. You're not allowed to promote your own site in your signature, so your signature was removed. The Homepage link next to your name is a specialized link with a NOFOLLOW tag on it, so it doesn't gain spammers or SEO folks any benefit in terms of having an incoming link in the eyes of search engines.

I'm working out the legal aspects of opening up the PortableApps.com Format to freeware and commercial developers. I've made some progress in the last week and should have things finalized by next month. We'll be opening it up to freeware before the legal process is fully complete once the specification is done.

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February 1, 2008 - 1:17pm
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Freeware/Commercial Apps

I totally understand and like what you're talking about john with the self-promoting rules. I don't have a website, but at least I know where to put it when I do get it up and running in the future, you don't want spam and this site would have generated a lot if you didn't do what you did.

I think the idea of putting Freeware and Commercial software on this site is OK, as long as they don't do much to the Registry or folders on the main computer. I actually prefer Open Source software to FreeWare and commercial software anyway, even when it isn't portable.

I've got a lot of your programs on my 1GB SanDisk Cruzer Micro (I can't even count how many there are)! I reckon everyone who comes to this site would agree that Open Source software is way better than freeware/shareware/commercial software! I even come to this site everyday to see whether there updates!

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January 1, 2008 - 5:32pm
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Also non-open source

Also non-open source programs cannot be hosted on sourceforge.

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January 2, 2008 - 1:11am
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HSP and Cubex...

Wait, don't start arguing... this site only accept open source because then it can't be hosted by sourceforge, that's all... AFAIK... Blum

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January 2, 2008 - 2:47am
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No

If he's gonna start getting cocky with all of us, (his comment did concern all of us) then he's gonna get it back.

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January 2, 2008 - 2:44am
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Yeah!

Ummm, there are advantages of using Open Source software for non-coders/programmers/hackers:

1. Often FOSS software/projects have a big community of programmers/contributers who can fix bugs/eradicate security risks (this is done very swiftly, upon the bug/security risk being discovered, usually) and increase the overall quality of the software/project (translations,icons,artwork,etc.)

2. Compiling software on your own generally results in the software being faster, since the software would be compiled for your hardware. (Or does this fact only apply to Gentoo users?)

And there is no such thing as
"stealing" on the Internet (well in general), since the word steal means to totally deprive one of something, they would no longer have physical ownership of the stolen item.(thats right illegally downloading music off of the *net does not equal to stealing, your just taking away the chance of a company to make money).

Out of all the most incorrectly used words I have seen it would be "steal".

Also I am deeply offended of your definition of forking as "stealing" (again it would not be stealing, it would be more like plagirism), if they were mentioning that their software was forked off of your software it would not be plagirism...

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January 2, 2008 - 5:58am
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Actually, your definition of

Actually, your definition of stealing means that downloading music illegally is stealing because they no longer have physical ownership of the $.

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January 2, 2008 - 8:19pm
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My

My English teacher told me the same thing, by explaining how Led Zeppelin (or however you spell it) plagiarized the song Stairway to Heaven.

But your not stealing the actual song, but the ownership of the money...

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October 17, 2007 - 9:39am
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Don't think he is listening...

I doubt he is even going to check back....
Like everyone else said this is spam and self promotional...
and why aren't the mods deleting it?

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October 17, 2007 - 3:54pm
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Wow

It's been two whole days and a few of you are trying to hang this person.

Learn some patience.

I would think many of you all had some already since you have to wait for portableapps.com updates....

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October 17, 2007 - 6:05pm
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It's fine...

I have plenty of patience. Smile

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October 17, 2007 - 7:39pm
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I loled

(actually, it was more of a chuckle, but w/e) Wink

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October 17, 2007 - 7:55pm
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Gosh!

Why would you lie like that?!

So you coled?

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October 17, 2007 - 6:17pm
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well, he missed two of the biggest points in his initial

That is was open source and that he had to post his source code. It's odd that missed those two key points, as if he never read the guidelines at all and was just ... spamming.

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October 17, 2007 - 8:22pm
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Dude, they are nice and all

but it is not in PAF, to be fully PAFed the file hiearchy needs to look like this:

App:AppInfo blah
Data:Settings
Other:BlahPortable Source Blah Source

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October 17, 2007 - 9:14pm
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mods?

I guess all the mods are busy...

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October 17, 2007 - 9:21pm
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relax a bit. its only been

relax a bit. its only been two days. typically a person has been given a week to post the source code, or at least some sort of response, before the post is locked

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October 17, 2007 - 9:24pm
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thanks

thanks for telling me.

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October 18, 2007 - 2:49pm
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I would understand if ...

the policy would be to remove the links via the mods edit, and have us wait for him to come back, read the actual policy, rather then give them the benefit of the doubt. If the person never returns, policy is enforced, if the poster does return, they'll do it right.
It's just my guess, but folks who are actually interested in our response or time would be back in a day or two to check up on the thread, rather than drop and drive.

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October 18, 2007 - 3:25pm
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I agree. There's no need to

I agree. There's no need to lock it right away, but the links should be removed if the policy is being violated.

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I would understand if ...

It's just my guess, but folks who are actually interested in our response or time would be back in a day or two to check up on the thread, rather than drop and drive.

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