Patrick, LOGAN, alpha1, and I were talking about this on IRC: Logan started out talking about ways to get more devs on the channel, then it got to dev contributions. We were talking about how perhaps we get virtual 'coins' we can use to buy a theme for our PApp, get money for making an app, lose money if it's not working, and get more money if you fix it. It sounds kinda 'playful'. Here, look at my log:
alpha1beta hey digit, do you know how to complile that https://portableapps.com/node/13713 alpha1beta I'm trying ti turbo delphi but getting no where fast digitxp I know, but I couldn't install it. LOGAN wht about wxDecC++? digitxp 300 MB for just a download. alpha1beta yea that was a PITA LOGAN Turbo Delphi is as limited as basic on a c64 alpha1beta do you know anything off the top of your head that might help me? LOGAN (and the commodore 128 basic was (c) Microsoft Corp LOGAN :( digitxp Yeah, John! digitxp And XRXCA and Smithtech! digitxp They all have Delphi... alpha1beta well i'm hopeless digitxp I'm starting to wonder why John made PAM with such a proprietary language. LOGAN so the only way is to get illegal delphi to compile this open source alpha1beta John's been on the Irc once this week,probably won't be back, and smithtech and XRXCA i've never seen alpha1beta well i wonder if i could mirgrate most of the Jackknife code to NSIS pabot powerjuce is here LOGAN start petition to get more devs to this channel powerjuce hey pabot is here alpha1beta yea we should alpha1beta hey Powerjuce powerjuce hey al powerjuce hey alpha1beta LOGAN give'em 1 virtuaDollar ver visit per day powerjuce well who else should be devs? LOGAN when they get 50 VirduaDollars they can buy a voice alpha1beta or 1$ monoploy money powerjuce pabot, ping pabot powerjuce: pong alpha1beta someday I'd like to be a dev but i got a lot more to learn first LOGAN alpha1beta : better virtuaDollars as monopoly credits need to be printed etc *** pabot is now known as powerjuce alpha1beta virtual monoploy money anyone? LOGAN monoploy? LOGAN lol alpha1beta you know what i mean lol digitxp Okay, well do it! LOGAN yes LOGAN your dyslectic alpha1beta nope digitxp That sounds nice. LOGAN hehe alpha1beta just not paying a lot of attention to the irc ATM powerjuce who else should be devs? LOGAN sure sure digitxp And for 500 VirtualDollars you get admin access. powerjuce wats devs or OP? digitxp Okay, here's a new motivation system: LOGAN 1.5 years? digitxp for every app you make, you get 25 VirtualDollars. LOGAN do launchers only also count? digitxp For every app that doesn't work, you lose 15 VirtualDollars. digitxp If you fix it, you get 20 VirtualDollars. LOGAN pounds his chest LOGAN digitxp : unfair LOGAN promote perfect work digitxp Launchers only get 24, since they won't really contribute to portableApps until later digitxp Then for every translation, you also get 25. LOGAN and an not working link will give -250 credits digitxp Lol LOGAN digitxp : you'll have -2500 credits LOGAN lol digitxp For every theme, you get 10 V$ LOGAN hmm only 0? LOGAN 10** digitxp You can even trade. alpha1beta and everytime you get kicks -100v$ digitxp Like for a theme for a PApp, the dev gives the themer 15 V$ LOGAN i trade you an URL correction for 25v$ digitxp R... digitxp kicks alpha1beta 100 times, making him lose 10,000 v$ digitxp Lol digitxp But I only know patrick can do that on his server. alpha1beta kicked for good reasons LOGAN pabot need to be upgraded with banking facility digitxp Lol alpha1beta well lets just say ben Won't be ricj alpha1beta rich* digitxp .tell rmccue we have a great money scheme digitxp I was just thinking, we should call them helpfullness coins- dollars is kinda discrimminating PatrickPatience Australian money's like impossible to rip, it's weird. alpha1beta hey digit you think most of the code in that would easily transfer to NSIS? PatrickPatience digitxp: 'dollars is kinda discrimminating'? digitxp alpha1beta: I gues... alpha1beta i hope.... alpha1beta and pray digitxp PatrickPatience: Yeah, I mean England uses pounds, and dollars kinda='s greed. PatrickPatience Why? LOGAN PatrickPatience : why is it iscriminating? LOGAN ok lets call it credits digitxp No, that means you can give them unlimitedly. LOGAN at least they sont seem to be inflatious alpha1beta lol digitxp You wanna do it so you can get a theme for an app only if you put enough effort into it to show it's worth a theme. digitxp This'll get complicated. LOGAN so I can pay a dev some creds to get a skin for an application? alpha1beta you can pay me to do it :D digitxp yeah. LOGAN so we need a bank bot? digitxp No, people like sergentsiler don't come around IRC, so it'll have to be integrated into a website. digitxp With a database. digitxp And Drupal. digitxp Too bad nobody would have that much time to make such a site. LOGAN no Virtual Bank site? LOGAN awe digitxp Well... digitxp We could do a tracker person that keeps track of all the contributions... digitxp And then we could request... digitxp But that'll be hard also. digitxp People will just have to be trustworthy and keep track of their own. PatrickPatience Haha. alpha1beta yea...right PatrickPatience How 'bout we all just have a little goodness in out hearts and do this in the spirit of free software. :P alpha1beta or you have a banker who decides not be in it at all digitxp Yeah, it's fun... LOGAN maybe we could use NGUcash to manage? lol digitxp It kinda removes the communism view in OSS. digitxp So it doesn't look like we are just plain being good out of our hearts (and get called communists like what happened to Richard Stallman) digitxp and it looks like we're competing in a nerdy little monopoly game :P PatrickPatience What's wrong with a communism view is open source? PatrickPatience I think that's one of the places where it's more appropriate. digitxp Please can you rephrase? digitxp I don't get what you're saying, PatrickPatience
It sounds kinda strange, right? And yet it sounds so interesting... It's kinda like PopSci's PPX.
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I said nothing about your 'coin' idea.
I was just talking about communism in the software society, and cool Australian money. 
So...
For every app 25 virtual coins
For every launcher 24 virtual coins
For every translation 25 virtual coins
For every malfunction -15 virtual coins
For every fix of a malfunction 20 virtual coins
You need 50 virtual coins for a voice
and 500 virtual coins for admin access
And people have to trust each other...
(I need to learn JavaScript + XUL + PHP fast so I can save these guys!!!)
I know that if this works I am in and translating as crazy (from that day on I will only accept translations together with app to be translated togheter)
(and I need to learn NSIS!!!)
Blue is everything.
First of all, I'd like to address the voice and Op thing: it isn't going to happen. No offense to Ryan, but I know him well enough that he isn't just going to give people Op and voice for no specific reason, just because some sort of credit system tells him he needs to. (For those that don't know, Ryan runs the IRC essentially. He's the top dog there.) And personally, I would agree with that. Just because you jump through some hoops shouldn't give you special privileges, especially not Op. I think that decision definitely needs to be determined by trust, experience, and reliability. Not because some user has a bunch of these credits. Now, one thing to address while I'm on my high-horse, I also think that there needs to be more than just three Ops. Right now there's only Patrick, Ryan, and John. I think that we need to elect a/some new Op(s). Everyone, let me know what you think about that.
About the themes, that's just pointless as well. It defeats the whole Open Source philosophy. We're supposed to give everything free, with the source attached. Need I explain any more?
Don't take it personally, but you're right. This was an absolutely insane idea.
EDIT:
You can vote for the new Op at this thread: https://portableapps.com/node/13910
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook
I know the idea was insane, but the reason I said that was because nobody would have enough time to build an e-points subwebsite for PortableApps.com
First of all, I'd like to address the voice and Op thing: it isn't going to happen. No offense to Ryan, but I know him well enough that he isn't just going to give people Op and voice for no specific reason, just because some sort of credit system tells him he needs to. It was just an example, there could be other things to get with it...
Just because you jump through some hoops shouldn't give you special privileges, especially not Op. I think that decision definitely needs to be determined by trust, experience, and reliability. Not because some user has a bunch of these credits. The coins would be given for fixing apps, making apps, etc. all reliability things. You get the coins when you contribute decently, not when you spend 20 bucks.
Now, one thing to address while I'm on my high-horse, I also think that there needs to be more than just three Ops. Right now there's only Patrick, Ryan, and John. I think that we need to elect a/some new Op(s). Everyone, let me know what you think about that. What are OP's?
I still love the coin system, I had it in 2nd grade, where we could by pencils with our tokens.
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I'm not sure what you said about contributing "decently" and "spending 20 bucks," but I'm not going to go any further about that.
An Op is a channel operator (administrator). They can kick, ban, voice, and Op other people.
Also, that may have worked in second grade, but I don't think it's going to cut it here. Although many of us might be kids/teens, that still won't work. I think that we need to maintain the Open Source philosophy, not this Communist-like philosophy that I think that this coin system will bring.
Btw, I'm an Op now as well.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook