The first article says it all--it'll require an update to Windows to work the way it's supposed to (remember, it's supposed to let you take all your OS settings with you), which probably won't be available on all PCs, especially business/school ones that don't typically get updated very often.
So it's a no-go for me. It kinda defeats the purpose of portability when an aftermarket patch is required! I'll stick with PortableApps, thank you.
It's all about getting more people to pay the micr0$0ft-tax .
"Microsoft has working with the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) team and various PC partners to test if and how Windows XP can run on Linux-based XO laptops"
"Old news. This has been known for almost a year."
About a replacement, yes. Specifics, no. In fact the only thread found that mentioned it was made by LOGAN-Portable here. As of this posting it has no responses. I know nothing is for sure right now, just looking for initial thoughts.
I completely agree with Bruce, although I'm sure most "end users" (sorry for the bad language!) will not understand (or care about) this fact. As far as OLPC and such, MS wants in that market badly. They are even extending XP's lifespan for "ultra-low-cost personal computers (ULCPCs)". More here.
And finally, me? I am very busy with 1 1/2 jobs and trying to decide what my next certification should be. I pop in every now and then! Side note: Anyone here use Ning?
Actually that was my point. End-users won't even know about updates, especially with the OS by default downloading and installing them silently in the background with little to no feedback. So when someone encounters a computer without the patch installed and their StartKey doesn't work... well, I can see MS getting lots of support calls!
Regarding so-called "ULCPCs", they wouldn't have to extend XP's lifespan at all if they just lowered the price of Vista... *rolls eyes* After all, we all know the profit margin on Vista is through the roof.
XP takes less to run - ULCPCs will not run Vista as well. At least from what I have seen. Otherwise MS would be pushing a crippled version of Vista for them.
Possibly, but I can say from experience that Vista with 512MB RAM (bare minimum according to official specs) runs about as well as XP with 256MB (XP's bare minimum is 64MB--give it that and it crawls).
Obviously other factors besides RAM came into play--I'm not naive enough to believe otherwise. But isn't Vista Starter already the "crippled version"?
hey lurk!
Sounds like a good idea, but, Mr.Virus and his friends Worm, Trojan, and K. EYL Ogger discourage me. Sounds like a good way to really screw yourself up.
Can't just format it and start over, now can we?
Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world
I wonder what'll happen when someone on Linux gets a debilitating virus... just wait until Linux gets the kind of market share Firefox has now. The black hats will be all over it.
I believe it says something for Windows security that Blaster so far has been the only worm of its kind in all the years Windows has been around--the only one that could infect a machine with NO user intervention. While not exactly Fort Knox, Windows isn't as insecure as people seem to think.
(also, on a side note: as of 2005 there were 120,000 major viruses "in the wild" or active for windows, and for linux: 0 known viruses "in the wild" and only 50 viruses total ever since 1991... ^_^)
OliverK> you don't live on a cow
IRC: It brings out the best in all of us...Especially when tired.
Hmm.. maybe their site dropt a cookie or two?
Hehe, so how many people gonna do a fresh install and go directly for a scan
PS.. remember SpiderBite? it snags up all URL's you've ever visited with IE even when you have deleted your history... There's a list kept of them somewhere hidden in windows. Don't know if the current Windows still has this 'feature' though...
It has nothing to do with market-shares and everything
to do with the brain-dead security-model of all micro$oft-OS's.
Viruses on Linux will happen when everybody decides to run as root, just like m$ has made people do for years .
( yeah yeah I know : technically the default windows-
admin account that you are auto-logged in to after a fresh install isn't the root-account)
As soon as some company determines they can make money selling an AV to Linux users viruses, trojans and alike will appear like magic. Just like they do for Windows.
Old news.
This has been known for almost a year.
I'll stick with my U3 drive till I have something concrete to evaluate.
Btw lurk, where you been? Haven't noticed one of your posts in while.
Welcome back.
Tim
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Things have got to get better, they can't get worse, or can they?
The first article says it all--it'll require an update to Windows to work the way it's supposed to (remember, it's supposed to let you take all your OS settings with you), which probably won't be available on all PCs, especially business/school ones that don't typically get updated very often.
So it's a no-go for me. It kinda defeats the purpose of portability when an aftermarket patch is required! I'll stick with PortableApps, thank you.
hey lurk, long time no see, most of us are still here though What have you been up to?
It's all about getting more people to pay the micr0$0ft-tax .
"Microsoft has working with the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) team and various PC partners to test if and how Windows XP can run on Linux-based XO laptops"
"Old news. This has been known for almost a year."
About a replacement, yes. Specifics, no. In fact the only thread found that mentioned it was made by LOGAN-Portable here. As of this posting it has no responses. I know nothing is for sure right now, just looking for initial thoughts.
I completely agree with Bruce, although I'm sure most "end users" (sorry for the bad language!) will not understand (or care about) this fact. As far as OLPC and such, MS wants in that market badly. They are even extending XP's lifespan for "ultra-low-cost personal computers (ULCPCs)". More here.
And finally, me? I am very busy with 1 1/2 jobs and trying to decide what my next certification should be. I pop in every now and then! Side note: Anyone here use Ning?
~Lurk~
Actually that was my point. End-users won't even know about updates, especially with the OS by default downloading and installing them silently in the background with little to no feedback. So when someone encounters a computer without the patch installed and their StartKey doesn't work... well, I can see MS getting lots of support calls!
Regarding so-called "ULCPCs", they wouldn't have to extend XP's lifespan at all if they just lowered the price of Vista... *rolls eyes* After all, we all know the profit margin on Vista is through the roof.
XP takes less to run - ULCPCs will not run Vista as well. At least from what I have seen. Otherwise MS would be pushing a crippled version of Vista for them.
~Lurk~
Possibly, but I can say from experience that Vista with 512MB RAM (bare minimum according to official specs) runs about as well as XP with 256MB (XP's bare minimum is 64MB--give it that and it crawls).
Obviously other factors besides RAM came into play--I'm not naive enough to believe otherwise. But isn't Vista Starter already the "crippled version"?
Point taken!
~Lurk~
hey lurk!
Sounds like a good idea, but, Mr.Virus and his friends Worm, Trojan, and K. EYL Ogger discourage me. Sounds like a good way to really screw yourself up.
Can't just format it and start over, now can we?
Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world
...the MS bashers.
I wonder what'll happen when someone on Linux gets a debilitating virus... just wait until Linux gets the kind of market share Firefox has now. The black hats will be all over it.
I believe it says something for Windows security that Blaster so far has been the only worm of its kind in all the years Windows has been around--the only one that could infect a machine with NO user intervention. While not exactly Fort Knox, Windows isn't as insecure as people seem to think.
Would you like to test your theory on your system? Look at this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080416/bs_nf/59276;_ylt=Atyi1I_3IISyHausMR9...
If your sys has no viruses or spyware, you get an iPod nano... Fair challenge...(curse my dialup connection, therefore inability to do this scan)
(also, on a side note: as of 2005 there were 120,000 major viruses "in the wild" or active for windows, and for linux: 0 known viruses "in the wild" and only 50 viruses total ever since 1991... ^_^)
OliverK> you don't live on a cow
IRC: It brings out the best in all of us...Especially when tired.
All they need to do is find one cookie that they don't like and you lose.
If they remove cookies from the equation I'd take the test and win.
My machine at home is locked down
And scanned by:
7 different Spyware Checkers
and
3 [edit 4]different Virus Checkers
[set for Advanced/Heuristics]
on a regular basis.
and that's not even counting rootkit checkers.
[note that there is some overlap in detections between types of malware]
Take the cookies out and take me on
[unless of course you consider Windows a virus ]
And of course, Why would I want an IPod? That means I'd have to install ITunes :o
I barely tolerate QuickTime on my machine
Tim
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Things have got to get better, they can't get worse, or can they?
curse not having interent at home!
Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world
Hmm.. maybe their site dropt a cookie or two?
Hehe, so how many people gonna do a fresh install and go directly for a scan
PS.. remember SpiderBite? it snags up all URL's you've ever visited with IE even when you have deleted your history... There's a list kept of them somewhere hidden in windows. Don't know if the current Windows still has this 'feature' though...
It has nothing to do with market-shares and everything
to do with the brain-dead security-model of all micro$oft-OS's.
Viruses on Linux will happen when everybody decides to run as root, just like m$ has made people do for years .
( yeah yeah I know : technically the default windows-
admin account that you are auto-logged in to after a fresh install isn't the root-account)
Actually- my home pc has Microsoft XP. And I hate mac's.
Yep, viruses usually only occur in machines that are popular. Hence linux being secure.
Agreed. Computers don't get viruses. People get viruses for their computers.
Too many lonely hearts in the real world
Too many bridges you can burn
Too many tables you can't turn
Don't wanna live my life in the real world
As soon as some company determines they can make money selling an AV to Linux users viruses, trojans and alike will appear like magic. Just like they do for Windows.
Ed