ImgBurn Portable (v2.4.0.0), proper PAM/standalone portable app package

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February 29, 2008 - 7:43am

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ImgBurn Portable (v2.4.0.0), proper PAM/standalone portable app package

I keep seeing references to people saying ImgBurn is portable, yet nobody has really put it together in a proper portable app package. Well, I have. This is my first attempt at doing such a thing as I just recently became interested in making some USB flash drives using PAM and began to see there were programs out there that were perfect for PAM but not yet properly implemented, so I tackled one of my favorites.

I do realize the goal is to use open source software. While ImgBurn is not open source, it is freeware and very useful (it has a huge fan base).

My method for creating my portable app package is a bit different and actually more simplistic than using NSIS (which I used to use all the time back in my Baldur's Gate hacking days). I simply make a batch file, then use a BAT-to-EXE "compiler", then use ResHack to insert the ICO (not needed, but looks better), then package it up using 7z SFX. The batch file has to be written just right to allow it to work within PAM or as a standalone, but I worked it out and include the sources and instructions in the package.

Your feedback is welcome. For now it is downloadable at Sourceforge.net here (without the ImgBurn files included, you'll have to install ImgBurn yourself and copy the EXEs into the App folder after installing my package):
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=219784

Thanks! This is really fun stuff.

February 29, 2008 - 8:02am

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You won't be able to put

You won't be able to put this on SourceForge if it contains a closed source application. Also, if it contains a closed source application, modifying it and repackaging it could be illegal, which is why we haven't done it yet. Please remove your download link temporarily.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:09am

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Nothing about the original

Nothing about the original ImgBurn program has been altered. I can see that I may not be able to get hosted on SourceForge, as you mentioned though.

However, nothing I've done is illegal or breaks the license on the front page of the ImgBurn.com website. I did no alteration to ImgBurn itself.

Please examine and evaluate my approach, and read the license on the front page of ImgBurn.com (bottom of the page) prior to proclaiming it is a bad thing.

February 29, 2008 - 8:15am

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Whether the original has

Whether the original has been altered or not, repackaging is considered modification. Where is the license on the ImgBurn site, I can't seem to find it.

Also, at the time PortableApps.com only supports open source apps, and until the freeware server is up, and some legal issues resolved, this post is considered self-promotion and the link needs to be removed anyway.

We appreciate the effort, but for now, remove the link, check back occasionally to see when the freeware support is active and make a new post.

Thank you, and welcome to PortableApps.com

Edit: Found the license...it's not very descriptive and doesn't say that repackaging is allowed, just that distribution is allowed. So even though you use a simple batch file, it's still modification because it's not the original package.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:20am

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I sure don't feel welcome. I

I sure don't feel welcome. I am not self promoting. I am posting a new portable app package to be beta tested in the beta test forum. The license for ImgBurn is at the bottom of the front page (as already mentioned) and says:

First and foremost, ImgBurn is a freeware tool. You cannot bundle it with your own commercial application and you cannot sell it in any way, shape or form.

As an individual, you're allowed to use it anywhere you like - be it at home or at work (assuming they don't mind of course!).

I'm not against it being rolled out in a corporate environment, just make sure the users know they are supposed to contact you with any support type issues and not me - I'm not an extension of your helpdesk!

Since it is not being bundled with a commercial application and I a not selling it, there is nothing wrong.

If this is how things go here, then I'll just have to find some other place or make my own site to share my LEGAL, ETHICAL and USEFUL work and get beta testing feedback.

February 29, 2008 - 8:28am

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We don't know if it is legal

We don't know if it is legal or not, even just taking the complete original ImgBurn package and putting it into a zip file would be repackaging, which the license says nothing about. It says the application can be used anywhere and rolled out in a corporate environment, but it does not explicitly say that repackaging is allowed. As Jimbo said below, it would be best to contact the author to double check permissions.

And for legal reasons (even if this package is perfectly legal) that involve this site in general, freeware cannot be posted yet. John T. Haller, the owner of this site is working on ironing out the final details and a freeware server will be up soon. Only at this time can freeware be promoted. Sorry if you are offended by this, it's just legal reasons, we really do appreciate your work.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:20am

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The Licence....

is so hard to spot because it is so brief...

First and foremost, ImgBurn is a freeware tool. You cannot bundle it with your own commercial application and you cannot sell it in any way, shape or form.

As an individual, you're allowed to use it anywhere you like - be it at home or at work (assuming they don't mind of course!).

I'm not against it being rolled out in a corporate environment, just make sure the users know they are supposed to contact you with any support type issues and not me - I'm not an extension of your helpdesk!

That's it... all of it.

Now, from that, I'd say that it explicity grants permission to use it yourself, and to install it as-is in multiple places. It is unclear whether it allows repackaging, but I'd say that without the stated permission of the author, you should probably not do so.

Personally, I'd say contact the author, to see if he minds, and wait for the Freeware site to go live.

February 29, 2008 - 8:23am

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Jeez, nobody cares enough to

Jeez, nobody cares enough to download it and check it out? You just want to nit pick where there is nothing to nit pick about? I acknowledge in my original post that I now this is all supposed to be open source material but I'd like you EXPERTS to check out how my package works, that is all. I dread coming to this site at all now.

February 29, 2008 - 8:30am

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You say: it's not very

You say:
it's not very descriptive and doesn't say that repackaging is allowed, just that distribution is allowed.

The ImgBurn site says:

You cannot bundle it with your own commercial application and you cannot sell it in any way, shape or form.

I think it is clear you are mistaken. It clearly says "You cannot bundle it with your own commercial application", this allows bundling with non-commercial application(s).

Its not that tough to read and understand. Jeez, man...can you BETA TESTERS at least check out my implementation? Is that so hard???

February 29, 2008 - 8:35am

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We'll test the app, I

We'll test the app, I personally can't download it from where you have it hosted because I'm at work and file hosting services are blocked.

As I said a couple posts up, freeware cannot be posted at the time being, for legal reasons involving the site, not necessarily your package. It's quite possible that this package is perfectly legal, but PortableApps.com cannot support freeware at the current time.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:48am

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Thanks. I am not asking that

Thanks.

I am not asking that this get hosted on this site, as I have affirmed a 3rd time now, I know there are only supposed to be open source apps here. However, this is a discussion forum and me posting a link to something I'd appreciate be evaluated is not breaking your own site's nor the forum's rules that I have found.

Again, I am not hoping or expecting this to get hosted on PortableApps.com (unless something changes in the future in regards to freeware, as you've indicated it may).

I see the simple (yet non-standard) license on ImgBurn.com to be very easily understood. If I go past getting some beta testing done on this, I can email LightningUK! and ask explicit permission, though he's already posted in his forum that he's added command line switches to provide portability of the application for USB drive use, etc.

February 29, 2008 - 8:59am

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I know that you are not

I know that you are not asking for hosting, that isn't the issue. I don't quite understand all the legal issues, but even a link to a freeware application can be considered self promotion (even if it's not your app). US laws are really strange when it comes to stuff like software, I don't understand it all, I just do my best to comply. I had made a package of DeKiBulle audio player portable, but had to remove it because they used a closed sound library, even tho the rest of the app was open source. I was requested by the owner of this site to be sure I kept my package and repost once the legal issues were ironed out.

If it were only up to me, i'd say keep the link up and let us test away, unfortunately due to crazy, unclear, overlapping and just plain messy US laws, the forums currently can't promote freeware.

I'd also recommend emailing the author to get explicit permission BEFORE testing continues, that way we can all be certain that nothing is happening that isn't allowed.

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February 29, 2008 - 9:14am

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I have emailed

I have emailed support@imgburn.com and am awaiting reply.

February 29, 2008 - 9:26am

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Thank you. Sorry if I

Thank you. Sorry if I seemed overly critical, I wasn't trying to be, I was just trying to explain the confusing legal issues that we may face.

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February 29, 2008 - 12:04pm

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Closed Source

Hey k2nd00d. Thanks for the contribution, but unfortunately, as ImgBurn is closed source, it can't be posted in the forums at this time as we're only doing open source at the moment.

Also, legally, your package is questionable. I am not a lawyer... and this is not legal advice... but, generally, you're not allowed to do anything with someone else's copyrighted work without their permission. Open source licensed software gives you the right to modify and repackage. Most commercial and freeware applications don't. You can't assume you have the right to do it unless it's specifically laid out in the license (or unless the author/publisher gives you permission, of course).

I'd suggest contacting the author of ImgBurn to ask if you can repackage it like this before distributing it.

Again, thanks for your enthusiasm and contribution, but for legal reasons (and because we're not yet doing freeware), this can't be linked to here. I hope you understand.

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February 29, 2008 - 3:38pm

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You guys keep talking to me

You guys keep talking to me like I do not understand something here, but you are wrong. It is you who do not understand.

Forget it. Don't worry, I won't be bothering with PortableApps.com anymore. You clearly do not understand you are not liable for something I do, so quit acting lie you need to worry about a link on your forum...and definitely do not dare download it and see how it works and give me any feedback.

If I can edit my original post, I will remove the link and you can go back to your world of paranoia and not understanding a plainly and clearly written license and cannot be bothered to do anything that makes any sense, such as a quick download and take a look at it for 5 minutes. I guess I am the idiot for even bothering to post here. Don't worry, I won't make that mistake again, especially if it involves one of the best freeware (yes, I know it is not open source for the 4th time now) CD/DVD/HD-DVD/BD-E burning software packages.

Bye.

Never mind, I see you already deleted my link.

Again, GOOD BYE.

February 29, 2008 - 3:42pm

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I thought John's message was

I thought John's message was quite civil. It's his site, so he gets to specify what he wants, and that's open source stuff. For now. There is also the possibility of adding non-open-source freeware in the future.

We're not telling you you can't distribute the package; there are many of us here who might like to have it. What we're saying is that John isn't including this type of package on his site, even for linking. Somewhat arbitrary, but he has his reasons, and they don't have anything to do with accusing you of not understanding the license.

Since few of us are lawyers, we tend to go with what is safe. Yes it might be paranoid, but that's the way it goes.

February 29, 2008 - 4:09pm

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Is there even a reason for

Is there even a reason for you to post what has been spewed to me 2 or 3 times already now? I find it to be a problem when I site/project owner tries to paranoidly (not a real word) control everything. As this is A FORUM and not the site where apps are listed for download...the two do not or should not equate to the same thing. Additionally, it is ridiculous to act like the link I posted puts the entire project in some possible legal jeopardy. Crrrrrazy.

February 29, 2008 - 4:56pm

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Sadly

It may be true that John can't be successfully held liable for a link posted to these forums, but that won't stop the lawyers from many large corporations from jumping down his throat every time someone tries to post something here. Sadly, if you own a small business, or run an online project in the U.S. it exposes you to a huge amount of liability. John has created a clear policy, and asks that users stick to this in order to limit his risk. By being consistent whether the application is small or large, he further limits his risk. This is more than fair, and anyone who runs a business and owns a house or has a family can appreciate the idea of limiting the risk of being sued and having to spend money and time defending himself from corporate lawyers.

While it seems clear to you that there is nothing in the license that says don't repackage this application, software licensing doesn't really work that way (at least in the U.S.). There needs to be something in the license that clearly and explicitly allows repackaging for that to be acceptable.

February 29, 2008 - 5:26pm

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You are nuts. ImgBurn is not

You are nuts. ImgBurn is not a big corporation, there is no risk here and your idea that a GIANT GPL-like license is somehow better and more clear than the very simple and clear license on ImgBurn.com is nuts. I don't care. You all have successfully chased me off and I see you have done the same to others. I also do NOT see clear rules. I see guidelines with a comments topic for it which seems to be locked, so there is not any debate or questioning the guidelines, which are completely nazi-like (such as dictating the nature of the page someone links to in their sig, how ludicrous), and yet at the same time not complete as they do not even cover what to do with a project like I have done.

It also appears there have been suggestions made for more than 6 moths of a Linux Portable Apps section and a Freeware section. How long are people expected to sit back and wait for THE ONE to act? Its not like I can go do it myself (build a site) and then mention it here where the users who download the platform are so they know there is more than this site, as that is deemed self promotion is is punishable by hanging!

Good bye. Please stop saying stupid things to me, I don't want to keep replying in defense of myself (and others in the past it seems). Just stop responding to me and continue on your totalitarian and slowly crawling bottlenecked ways.

February 29, 2008 - 5:49pm

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But...

it does affect the whole program. For one thing M$ can then go after us saying we are doing illegal things here. Then the whole thing would be over :(.

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February 29, 2008 - 6:06pm

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Please tell me what does M$

Please tell me what does M$ have to do with ImgBurn? NOTHING! I work at M$. You people are just ridiculous. By the way, as some proudly proclaim to be young to mid teens doing this stuff, that is awesome. When I was your age I was using a VIC-20 and later got a 300 baud modem and was war dialing. I am not a moron, but I am finding it difficult to work out how to work with the dictatorship here with rules that seem to be pulled out of thin air and nobody even willing to download someone's first attempted portable app pack made to work with what I saw as a good platform.

P.S., though I feel railroaded and I am sure I will continue to be, especially since I use something called SPLASH.EXE, here is a link to this pack without the ImgBurn files in it.

http://www.2shared.com/file/2918331/3dc0a395/ImgBurn_LESS_Portable_2400p...

Feel free to unleash some more irrational fears on me.

February 29, 2008 - 6:19pm

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Pretty nice!

I like where you said it was not Open Source Freeware. :). I really think you would do a great job here once you ease up :).

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February 29, 2008 - 6:25pm

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Ease up? All I did was ask

Ease up? All I did was ask for beta testers to check out my first attempt at making a PAM friendly portable package (as I acknowledged up front it was not an open source app and I knew it did not fit in with what is officially posted and supported here). Instead of anyone actually doing that, all I got was negative lecturing.

February 29, 2008 - 6:30pm

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I'm sorry if you felt

I'm sorry if you felt criticized, I wasn't trying to lecture, just explain the forum rules. I'd love to test this out, but the download link isn't working for me for some reason. also, since this no longer contains the base app, i think you can put the download link back into your main post.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:06pm

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I updated the original post

I updated the original post with the Sourceforge.net link for the package that does not contain the ImgBurn files. You'll have to install ImgBurn yourself and then copy the ImgBurn EXEs into this package's App folder once this package is installed.

Flame away at every unwritten cardinal rule I've now broken.

BTW, I really am trying to stay away...but I'd just love PAM to be a lot more useful and used.

February 29, 2008 - 8:09pm

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I said it was fine to repost

I said it was fine to repost the link for just the launcher....what is there to flame away at? I'm trying to help you out now, and things seem to be going fine, but i'm not appreciating the harsh attitude.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:14pm

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Look man, I'm the one that's

Look man, I'm the one that's been jumped all over. Starting initially with my post being labeled a self promotional post or some crap. It was simply a post to a download of a portablized app asking for some testing or evaluation. Stop acting like you are a victim, I am the outsider being treated like crap.

February 29, 2008 - 8:18pm

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We may have come off a

We may have come off a rather harsh at first, I apologized for my comments multiple times already, and i'll do it again. I'm sorry if you felt criticized, that was not my intent, i was simply trying to explain the forum rules.

Treating us like crap in return will not help you out here. Like I said, I'm sorry for my tone earlier. I'm trying to ease up, i offered to test your app, i just downloaded it and will test momentarily. It would be appreciated if you could ease up a bit as well.

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February 29, 2008 - 5:13pm

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Dude, your ramblings and

Dude, your ramblings and arguing is just annoying now. You are not going to change John's mind, and getting all defensive and angry is not doing you any good or making a favorable first impression for a would-be developer.

Now what you COULD have done was ask what you are allowed to post and how you can conform with John's rules. Had you asked that, you would have received this answer -

Post your open source launcher, including full source code and GPL license, and provide instructions on how someone interested in testing can obtain the ImgBurn installer and setup your portable package. Yes it's more work, but conforms to John's rules.

Was that so hard? There are many people here (myself included) that regularly use ImgBurn and would love to try a portable version. So do what I said above. Take a deep breath and drop the attitude. You'll get a lot farther

February 29, 2008 - 5:22pm

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I am not trying to impress,

I am not trying to impress, it is you guys closing out people like me. Good job. Be stupid, I don't care. Someone just ban me and delete everything I've posted please, as it obviously hurts your brains.

February 29, 2008 - 5:52pm

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Please

stop being aggressive. (The principle says when you are telling something what they are doing, It's aggressive. If they are doing something with "I" (as in "I wish you guys could stop), it's passive. Anyway, how are we closing in on you?

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February 29, 2008 - 8:17pm

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Looks like a neat app.

I will have to test this one out.

February 29, 2008 - 8:21pm

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Wow, thanks. Someone willing

Wow, thanks. Someone willing to actually look without chopping my head off first.

I just wish I could post the full pack with ImgBurn inside, as it is much easier and cleaner.

Thanks again.

February 29, 2008 - 8:25pm

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There is a way.

I don't know how to do this with a batch file, but Mr. Ryan McCue at cubegames.net/downloads made a utorrent portable that is 100% open source, it works by copying the files from the local install into the app folder with the installer.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:31pm

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The best way I can see to be

The best way I can see to be compliant with this craziness is to have my SFX installer (using RAR rather than 7z, since RAR SFX's are much more powerful) install my pack's bits first and then launch the ImgBurn installer and have it automatically install to or copy to the App folder of my package's install.

That seems like a pain and also requires that for someone to use my installer they would also require the ImgBurn Installer. That will confuse people. People need a single click and go solution, after all.

February 29, 2008 - 8:28pm

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Tested and here are the

Tested and here are the results:

1. It's not really in PAF format, but then again, you aren't using NSIS, and this really doesnt matter unless you want it to become an official PortableApps.com app once the freeware stuff is available. If you do, check out the latest SumatraPortable for directory structure.

2. Maybe you should set the ImgBurn.ini file to not use the file associations and shell extensions because those modify the registry and break portability.

3. It's a great program, thanks for the effort on this project, and sorry for all the conflict. It was not a personal attack on you for being a new member, we were simply trying to explain the forum rules and got rather overzealous and harsh with our remarks.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:37pm

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1) I don't even know what

1) I don't even know what PAF format is, as it is not like this site makes it easy to find pertinent info. But, I know what I made does work.

2) You are wrong. The ImgBurn commandline switch /PORTABLE ignores those settings, as documented by the ImgBurn author. This is used in the ImgBurnPortable.exe (source is the ImgBurnPortable.bat where you can clearly see).

3) You shouldn't have to explain things to me. The site should have clear info and half of the stuff you said to me isn't even accurate/correct.

February 29, 2008 - 8:58pm

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Some more answers.

1)PAF Format is a format that makes the app compatible with the PAM and Backup. (You can simply install Sumatra PDF POrtable and replace those files with yours.) Data is for the backup,it backups everything under /<appname>/Data.
2)I don't know about that.
3)This site is still very young, we are still trying to make our info clear. That, and the fact that there is clear info.

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February 29, 2008 - 9:12pm

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1) There are no settings to

1) There are no settings to worry about backing up for this, at least not currently. If I let ImgBurn write to the INI settings file, it tends to set certain paths with drive letters rather than the paths I have in there without drive letters allowing them to always work regardless of the USB drive letter. As far as the *.paf.exe, it works fine using the menu installer.

2) Well, now you do.

3) This site is not that young, I've seen references of thins that were going to happen 6 months and a year and a year and a half ago...that have not happened. For the age of this site, it seems to be fairly locked down, controlled and not blossoming the way it cold be.

February 29, 2008 - 9:15pm

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You are right on 3 for

You are right on 3 for sure....the new menu has been coming "next week" for over 6 months now. Things are finally starting to open up though, there's now a TEAM working on the menu, and many of our development test apps are going to be released. There has been a huge stream of updated packages for all the official apps over the past few weeks as well.

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February 29, 2008 - 8:59pm

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I really hate responding to

I really hate responding to you at this point, but what the heck? You are getting testers, and positive constructive feedback from established and commited members, and your reply to that feedback is more defensive self-righteous attitude? I don't care how old you are or who you work for, you have a lot of growing up to do.

February 29, 2008 - 9:04pm

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Your reply makes no sense.

Your reply makes no sense. Can you read English? Where is all of this positive cooperation you speak of, especially early on? Begone, child.

February 29, 2008 - 9:10pm

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The cooperation is

in other threads. Check them out, and you will understand how things work here.

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February 29, 2008 - 9:13pm

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Oh, and

if there was a good way to get this to work is not to ban, but to have him understand better (Ammendment 8).

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February 29, 2008 - 9:14pm

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I have read many other

I have read many other threads, as you can see I've replied in some. In truth, the more I read the more I am appalled by how some people are treated and others are ignored and rules are made up on the fly or assumed to be commonly known.

February 29, 2008 - 9:12pm

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I think he was referring to

I think he was referring to my post that listed the 3 items.

1. the PAF format isn't posted yet, its still a work in progress, but looking at the most recently released apps will give you an idea. It's basically a common directory structure for all of the apps

[AppNamePortable]
    +["App"]
        +["AppInfo"]
        +["DefaultData"]
        +[BaseApp]
    +["Data"] (should be empty before first run, then settings should get moved here)
    +["Other"]
        +["Source"]

2. Sorry, I obviously didnt test thoroughly enough to notice the switch.

3. You're right, the documentation isn't very clear at all.

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February 29, 2008 - 9:17pm

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I will look and see what I

I will look and see what I need to change to be compliant with that structure. However, though your tree shows a structure it still needs some real documentation and explanations. There may even be reasons to not use that specific structure at times. Rest assured I used existing Portable Apps to determine the rough structure of what I have done to this point. Its not like I just made up what I did on the fly. LOL

February 29, 2008 - 9:36pm

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The structure does need to

The structure does need to be clearly documented, but as I said, it's a work in progress, the structure I just posted is only a rough layout.

Check over here for what's been going on lately, and the PAF Spec / Platform section at least gives the status of the guidelines

AND FINALLY: a little bit of documentation on how to set up a test release

Here are the Development Test guidelines:

   1. Compile the new Development Test Splash Screen into your launcher
   2. Follow the current PortableApps.com Format spec 0.9.8 (as used in the current KompoZer Portable). This includes the AppInfo directory and the required files within there. Having an appicon.ico with 256 color and XP alpha in 16px, 32px and 48px sizes. And the other details of the PortableApps.com Format (see below)
   3. Use the current PortableApps.com installer with the PortableApps.com branded bannder 0.9.9.0 as used in the latest KompoZer Portable (the Mozilla apps are different) being sure to only alter code within the ";=== BEGIN: PRE-INSTALL CODE" style comments
   4. Doing a new release titled "Development Test 1" or appropriate number. The installer should follow the standard naming convention of App_Portable_1.2_Development_Test_1_en-us.paf.exe

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February 29, 2008 - 9:50pm

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Someone email me if/when a

Someone email me if/when a reasonable and short design guide is put up on a single page or a PDF which includes not requiring unnecessary requirements (in other words, requirements should be minimal, and many things should be optional/flexible). The best way for PAM and its successor to grow and gain popularity is to keep it simple and allows for some flexibility. It shouldn't take much to work with PAM and the focus should be in ensuring the app is self contained (portable) and not little structural minutia that everyone must do the exact same. For example the settings for ImgBurn needs to be in the same folder as the ImgBurn.exe and is set to READ-ONLY. Considerations about the behavior of the application being portablized needs to outweigh unimportant folder structure "requirements".

Count me out.

If I make any portable apps to work with PAM, I will keep them to myself and at most put them up somewhere where people *may* stumble on them, but I doubt I'll bother. And as I said once before, I see many peopple are doing this.

April 1, 2008 - 4:01pm

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February 29, 2008 - 9:12pm

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STOP, PLEASE!

Could everyone, please, please stop arguing. Lets all try to get along in a civil manner, please

This post is getting ridiculous, the arguments, and rants going on here the last couple weeks is ridiculous.

Please try to get along in a civil manner, or don't try at all.

Thank you.

February 29, 2008 - 9:22pm

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Last couple weeks? So, if I

Last couple weeks? So, if I am not the only one having a problem here...maybe it is not me or the other supposed troublemakers. Maybe it is the lack of info and guidelines and predominance of ubertude from anyone who has been on this forum for more than someone else.

I too would like this to be civil and just get what I came here for, some actual real eyes on what I did and some useful feedback. Which I ave gotten only smidgen of thus far.

February 29, 2008 - 9:26pm

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Lack of documentation is

Lack of documentation is part of it, a big part of it.

Lack of reading the existing documentation is another part, though the documentation can be rather hard to grasp at times. There's a lot there, it's just not stated CLEARLY which is what we need.

Then we occasionally get users that just create accounts to bash people.

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April 1, 2008 - 3:47pm

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ALERT: AVG Professional indicates TROJAN GENERIC

ALERT: TROJAN DROPPER GENERIC (possible)

To all who read the above post. ALERT!
Be sure to do your own testing before running this.

To k3nd00d

AVG Professional indicates a TROJAN Generic associated with the ImgBurnless portable application that you have put on Source Forge.
Maybe it is because of the way it is written???????

Just to be fair with you Norton's did not indicate anything on this so I am just wondering about this.

I also want to let everyone else know about this and see if anyone else has had any indications of the above download.

I do feel this could be a good app to have added as I do like to use ImgBurn.

So to others be sure to check this yourself.
If anyone else has checked the application I would like your input.

k3nd00d please feel free to reply.

Thanks Phillip McCrevice

April 1, 2008 - 3:49pm

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You already posted this

You already posted this once, why post again?

Have you checked with jotti and virus total? Links on the support page.

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April 1, 2008 - 3:52pm

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Rest your neck OliverK

And where might that be. It did not post at the end like it is supposed to have. So where is it?

April 1, 2008 - 4:00pm

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You have two posts. The

You have two posts. The links for jotti and virus total are:
http://www.virustotal.com/

http://virusscan.jotti.org/
Right up in the bottom of the text box, right beside the softpedia image.
Sorry If I seem to be getting on your case, you just have two posts that say just about (if not) the same thing.

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April 1, 2008 - 4:01pm

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Removed

I think he removed his other post.

And he's probably new and doesn't know that AVG has been having all kinds of false positive issues for months.

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April 1, 2008 - 4:04pm

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Yes He did.

Yes He did.
Could be, but its still a double post that says the exact same thing.

That's why I gave him link to jotti, etc.

Yes, 3hrs

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April 1, 2008 - 4:39pm

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Re: John T Haller After only two posts!!!! OMG

From John T. Haller
I think he removed his other post.

And he's probably new and doesn't know that AVG has been having all kinds of false positive issues for months.

Yeah, I am new to your forum, I registered just minutes before my first post. I sure hope that I don't have to anticipate that kind of response every time I post. I haven't been treated like that in any other forum. EVER!

I still don't know how it posted above where I had finished reading. It put my post between two March 29 posts. Never seen that before nor anticipated that it would do that either.

I certainly hope he is not one of the forum moderators.

April 1, 2008 - 4:52pm

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Not yet

Not yet :EVIL:

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April 1, 2008 - 5:01pm

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What Was Said

Actually, all that was said in his first reply was "Why did you post this twice?" which, while not phrased in the most congenial manner, wasn't an invalid question (go back and read his first reply... it wasn't hostile, he just asked why you'd double posted). The forums here are threaded... so when you reply to something, it goes underneath what you replied to and indented. That way, you can easily follow a conversation far after it took place. I think that's why you missed your original reply when you went back and read it.

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Your right, I should have

Your right, I should have used a smiley

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April 1, 2008 - 6:12pm

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re: what was said

That is why I missed my first post. But now that I am used to the way this system works that will help.
Your right it wasn't in the most congenial manner. I don't think it was intended to be. Especially with the trailer comment You already posted twice. and because of the statement that alot of people of are nicer than him. or something similar to that.
And NO, I don't think it was an invalid question. It was just the way it was phrased. Oliver is right a smiley would have helped.

What I originally posted I did hoping that it would help someone. I thought that maybe it should be pointed out to you and other members especially after reading this thread last week and how adamant that k3nd00 seemed to be.

I also did not know what your methods of scanning were but hoped that you would definitely have a more robust scanning programs or utilities than I have.
So with that explanation I hope you do not feel that I have come here to cause you any trouble.

I can see that Oliver can respond differently as per the General Dicussions What come in the Standard suite thread that I started there.
His response was appreciated. in that thread. Thanks Oliver.
With that out of the way I think OliverK and I will get along just fine.

April 1, 2008 - 4:14pm

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Take a deep cleansing breath and relax, Gonna be alright

Well excuuuuuuuse me! That's the first I knew that the first one posted. I am at work where I can't upload anything from here. So as you will notice the first one has been deleted to NO SUBJECT. That's the best I can do. Delete it if you insist!

So unless you are k3nd00 why are you worrying if there is a double post?

I would be more than happy to read any double posts that might save me from a possible TROJAN.

And yeah, you do seem to be getting on my case. After all this makes post #3. The first two you've already read. I got your crap after my second post.

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Sorry. I didn't know- but I

Sorry. I didn't know- but I figured you did. Thank you for deleting the first one.

Because. I don't really know, I guess its because we don't like double poting.

True.

Welcome to PortableApps.com. All I can say is there are many more people that are nicer then I am. I mistakenly made the assumption that you had been here before.

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Thank you for removing the

Thank you for removing the other post.

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April 1, 2008 - 4:49pm

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again posted somewhere else

Well my last post posted four spaces above where I left off reading. And thats exactly what happened last time.

April 1, 2008 - 4:51pm

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yes, when you reply to

yes, when you reply to someone, the forum puts in under the message your replying to.

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April 1, 2008 - 5:41pm

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...

I dont see purpose for PAM Version of imgburn... for those who want a truly "portable" vesrion just read the docs and make a simple batch script to launch it (or do it nsis although it would be like 10x easier in a batch file to do... just read the docs

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April 1, 2008 - 6:09pm

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re: nycjv321

Don't even have a clue how to. Where do I find the docs.

April 2, 2008 - 5:10pm

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...

ah... not good lol its in the install directory of it
normally
"C:\Program Files\ImgBurn\ChangeLog.txt"
read it

so I just made a batch script to run it as

Imgburn.exe /PORTABLE /SETTINGS Imgburn.ini
which runs it in portable mode specifying the settings at Imgburn.ini in the same directory as Imgburn.exe

btw everyone should upgrade to 2.4.1.0 specifically

"Added/Changed: When running in 'Portable' mode, certain paths will be saved relative to the exe's folder if they're at the same level or below it. (i.e. 'D:\ImgBurn\Sounds\Success.wav' becomes '.\Sounds\Success.wav').....

Fixed: The default paths (i.e. before any settings have been read) were incorrect when loading the program with the '/PORTABLE' CLI switch...."

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April 7, 2008 - 11:07am

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re: nycjv321

What exactly am I supposed to add and where.

Please make it clear to understand

April 7, 2008 - 2:28pm

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it is clear but lets make it simple for noobs

make a directory for imgburn on your usb (2.4.1.0 is a must since it fixes a bug with relative locations when dealing in certain citations) copy the contents of the local copy to this new directory now open up notepad and copy this line to it

Imgburn.exe /PORTABLE /SETTINGS Imgburn.ini

then go to save as and then navigate to the directory you just made on the usb drive then for file name type (as well as the quotes) "portable.bat" then it will make a batch file to handle portable imgburn you could also make a Imgburn.ini within the folder inplace of the bat but that is no fun

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April 1, 2008 - 7:10pm

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WARNING! ImgBurn Portable, download contains TROJAN!

I downloaded and tested to see if it had any problems. I can't believe no one has done this? The version that is from the link posted here on this page has a TROJAN! Link with Trojan is at: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=219784 ..... DO NOT DOWNLOAD!

My findings is based upon results produced from a scan from AVG Anti-Virus, AVG Malware, Comodo.com BoClean & Symantec online web based virus scan. Need I say more, that seems rather conclusive. Tee a*@#$ that put this us should be banned.

This is in reference to post: ImgBurn Portable (v2.4.0.0), proper PAM/standalone portable app package, Submitted by k3nd00d on February 29, 2008 - 5:43am.

April 1, 2008 - 7:56pm

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A little off

Everyone knows about that false positive. It's because he ResHacked it to put in an icon...
He's already gone, and you used very commercial virus scanners. (You'd expect them to give false positive, they want your money). AVG gives too many false positives. No cursing, not even stars.

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April 2, 2008 - 8:41am

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re: bgm

Well everyone else might have known that this was a false positive but I didn't. So naturally it would concern me, how about you bgm. I am glad to see that someone else checked this out.

I would still error on the side of caution even if AVG does have alot of false positives. You never know if maybe this is the bad one.

April 2, 2008 - 2:39pm

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Done Testing

EDIT:Works Great! Thank You for your work!

this is what jotti says:

POSSIBLY INFECTED/MALWARE (Note: this file was only classified as malware by scanners known to generate more false positives than the average scanner. Do not consider these results definately accurate. Also, because of this, results of this scan will not be recorded in the database.)
BitDefender
Found Trojan.Spy.Banker.AAKX
Prevx1 V2 2008.04.02 Heuristic: Suspicious Self Modifying File

THANK YOU for the portable app package... i've been looking for this for about 1 week.
now to try out the dvd decrypter...
(it's for putting videos on my mp3 player)

April 2, 2008 - 6:12pm

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DVD Decrypter

THANK YOU for the portable app package... i've been looking for this for about 1 week.
now to try out the dvd decrypter.

Are you referring to the full portable app package?
So where is the DVD Decrypter? Is there one?

April 14, 2008 - 10:44am

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DVD Decrypter

download it here:
http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/

I than use Handbrake to convert it to .mp4
http://handbrake.fr/

June 25, 2008 - 4:50am

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Remember to delete the registry if you use /portable

Just a note: Imgburn does not have an archive version. And Imgburn's installation creates registry keys because it doesn't care in advance that you plan to use /portable.

Thus, if you plan to use the command line parameter /portable, be sure run this REG file after the installation:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[-HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\ImgBurn] [-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ImgBurn]
Also, for trully portable experience (one that also works through networks!), use the command line parameter /nosavesettings as well:
imgburn.exe /portable /nosavesettings

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