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CAFE Mod: new name/icon

NAME:
For the next release, CAFE Mod will now be called eXpresso.
Thank Tim for suggesting the new name. Questions/Comments can be posted below.

ICON:
Many thanks to NeoRame for his work on the new icon. It will be included in the next release as well. Here are some previews:

Icon Previews
Logo Previews
Tray Icon Preview

Thanks to everyone who posted, your help has been appreciated!

-Brian

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here my fist icon

here my fist icon idea:

http://b.imagehost.org/view/0861/cafepre.png

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Thanks

Nice job, you're awesome at graphics.
The 16px version is a little hard to see properly though. Can I see what it looks like without the white 'open' rectange behind the pointer? Mabey that will make the 16px version a little better.

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only for the 16px or for

only for the 16px or for all?

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Try them all, I'd like to see what it looks like.

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Done: http://b.imagehost.org/

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Hmm..

That's better.
How about shrinking the circles down a little bit, and then putting the 'open' rectangle behind the circles and the pointer, so it looks like it is clicking on a file.

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yes,

the one in the upper left corner.

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16px

16px is still hard to see. How about leave it for the rest of the formats, but change it to just the circles and the pointer (like what you had before) for the 16px format.
Also, is it necessary to have the word 'open' in the box? Leave it in the 256px format, but you can't really read it for anything other than the 256px format anyway.
Thanks so much for all your work on this.

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ok is this your whish???? so

ok is this your whish???? so i can send you the ico file Wink

http://b.imagehost.org/view/0868/cafev3.png

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i can change the "open" to the new app name Wink

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Great

Don't bother sending me the ico yet, until we decide on a name.
It looks like we're leaning towards Xpresso.

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here it is: Download right

here it is:

Download

right click save as Wink

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My Attempt at this icon is sooooo crappy. Biggrin I like Neo's Icon
http://www.dbdii.com/temp/cafev3.bmp

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TBH, I dont see why you want

TBH, I dont see why you want to move away from CAFE name.

Don't confuse people with calling what is the same application with a complete different name I think.

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Speaking of confuse, What is

Speaking of confuse,
What is TBH?

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tbh=

to be honest

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Sorry,

but here are my options:
CAFE is already used, that was the original app.
CAFE Portable is also already used in another mod from the original app.
CAFE USB, etc... I don't really like it. Adding a suffix to CAFE isn't going to cut it for me.
I'm not going to keep using the name CAFE Mod, it sounds like it is an unsupported modification of the original app. Definitely not a permanent name.
Therfore, I have no choice but to move to another name.

Can you see why I'm moving away from CAFE now? It's not like I'm going to change the name overnight and leave everyone in the dark as to what i've done, I'll still have prominent messages saying that the app used to be called CAFE Mod.
Sorry.

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Coffee? (Runs and ducks in

Coffee?

(Runs and ducks in corner, hehe)

Um, maybe USB Associate

Flash Associate, or something along that line.

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File Director??

How's about File Director? Cause that's what it's essentially doing redirecting files.

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How about

Associate File Director?
I like Flash Associate.

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Wow! :D

Wow! Biggrin

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The second one is good

The first is just weird though.

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AMUPortable = Associate My

AMUPortable = Associate My USB Portable

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Hmm

How about Chauffeur for a name? Or Parakeet (sticking with the tropical bird theme [Toucan])?

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You can usually tell who will make it big just by the name. For example, I'm sure there will never be a national/international chain of supermarkets called "Bob's corner store" or something similar. Usually those places have names which say exactly what they do. What I'm trying to say is that the new name does not (or IMO, SHOULD NOT) say what it does. Although you want to move away from the "CAFE" name, we don't have to move away from that idea. Espresso has a nice feel to it, as does Carafe.

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Expresso

"Espresso has a nice feel to it"

Expresso ?
EXpresso ?
Xpresso ?

Express, does it quickly.

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Espresso is actually the

Espresso is actually the correct spelling for the coffee drink. Though I like both Espresso or Xpresso for the new app name.

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Xpresso

is kinda catchy.
Parakeet: It does make sense to stick with the tropical bird names for portableapps, it could become a standard. I dunno, are there any other bird names?
Keep in mind that the name doesn't really have to have anything to do with what the app does.

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Xpresso is kinda catchy

I know,

That's why I suggested it Blum

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Xpresso

How do people feel about Xpresso? Right now, I think it is the best candidate (thanks Tim!), unless someone else comes up with something. I need opinions, as I want to make sure you guys like the name I choose.

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Awesome. Actually, any of

Awesome. Actually, any of Tim's versions would be great.

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CClick

Name: CClick
From David Dixon via IRC.

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Name Ideas so far...

Associate File Director
Flash Associate
Chauffeur
Parakeet
Xpresso
CClick = Coffee Click
AMUPortable = Associate My USB Portable]

Bolded names are the ones I think are good.

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I like Xpresso

I like Xpresso

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Xpresso ;-)

Xpresso Wink

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Not Flash as it's already

Not Flash as it's already used for memory and a certain interactive browser plugin Smile

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I'm not sure Xpresso will

I'm not sure Xpresso will work...It's already being used by a few different people.

http://www.foxonline.com/xpressomain.htm

http://www.docscience.com/xpresso/index.html

http://www.backupxp.com/

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;(

Too bad. What do you think of eXpresso?

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that's fine with me

that's fine with me

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What about CClick or SyncClick?

Just Some Ideas Smile

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SyncClick really doesn't make

SyncClick really doesn't make sense for this app...it doesn't Sync anything

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well i thought of it cause it

well i thought of it cause it messes with windows and changes it to open threw your apps.

if u think hard enough it will make sence. a bit...

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Execute

I didn't like some of the added features(i.e. Run Box) to the CAFE Mod and hated the GUI layout, so a while back i did my own personal MOD of CAFE and renamed it "Execute - File Extension Manager for Portable Applications".

I've used this icon: http://www.cjsden.ca/images/execute.png

You are more than welcome to use both of these if you like.

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Woah!

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Unaware

Oh... thanks for pointing that out. I found that icon on a different site which was claiming it to be copyright free. Thankfully I was only using it for myself... I've removed the image from my site as well.

And i've made my own icon now. Link above now point to it.

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Give me a try.

File Link!
Or maybe PFA (Portable File Associator)
Hm...
How about PortableApps.com File Associator (Naw, that stinks.)
Hm....
Alt File Opener?
AFO?
Hm.....
Alt File Associator?
AFA?
Hm......
Open source Portable Extension Navigator? (I need a better N word, it makes the word OPEN :D).
Hm.......
FIle's aLternative Extension? (FILE)
I give up.

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PFA already exists, look

PFA already exists, look here:

https://portableapps.com/node/13145

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how about flassociate

how about flassociate

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I thought of 2 yesterday

I thought of 2 yesterday -

Journey
Capture

(At least I think those were them.)

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Why change the icon, it looks

Why change the icon, it looks good. The older one was kinda crappy but this one is nice.

About the name IMO it's a little disrespectful to the others that worked in this app to just move away from the original name like it was a completely different app.

Why fix it if it ain't broken...

I don't know, that's just my opinion. (Oh and btw please don't take this in an offensive way)

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The original authors ignored

The original authors ignored all of my initial requests to work together/update/join our forums, so I continued to bugfix and add features to their base application. It essentially became a new app because so much had changed. I don't think changing a name would be offensive at all.

Brian is now taking over development from me because I no longer have the time to continue development.

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Well, i didn't know about

Well, i didn't know about that but even than it is still an "update/mod" of an app called CAFE so imo moving completely away from it's original name is a bit extreme...

anyway, that's just my opinion

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See HERE.
IMO, having the suffix 'Mod' on the app makes it seem incomplete.

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But isn't that what it is? a

But isn't that what it is? a Mod?

And about being incomplete, aren't all apps incomplete, i mean they're always bugs to fix, features to upgrade and updates to make...

And is there really a C.A.F.E. Portable or is it CAFE Portable, it seems silly but there's a difference.

And even if there is a C.A.F.E. Portable i don't think there's any copyright in it... lol just kidding...

Oh and CAFE has a meaning it's not just a random name like it seems to be said: association fichier exécutable - file associator executable, or something like that...

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Well

You see, the creators of Flock didn't call Flock "Firefox Mod," did they? No, because that really doesn't sound complete, nor does it sound attractive to users. They changed the code in Firefox for more features and gave it a slightly (ever so slightly) different purpose. It's the same with CAFE. Zach changed the code, and now it's evolving into something different, as with Flock. You see, because the software's code has changed, and its purpose is changing, even though you have the same codebase.

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OK, you're comparing firefox

OK, you're comparing firefox with cafe? I cant talk about that example as im not familiar with that app but even if they were gonna call it firefox mod do you think mozilla would allow it?

And by the way you say flock has a different purpose than firefox but does cafe mod have a different purpose than the original cafe? No

But i get your point
Of course cafe mod is a bad name i admit it but i always call it just cafe

For me CAFE Portable would be the perfect name but if it really is already copyrighted than i guess there is no other way around it...

Once again i hope no one takes my comments on this offensive cause that's not at all where i'm going here...

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CAFE Portable isn't

CAFE Portable isn't copyrighted, but it's in use. It's better to come up with a name not in use, just to avoid confusion.

CAFE Mod and CAFE do have the same purpose, but CAFE Mod is essentially a new app now because of all the changes it went through. Some examples include restructuring some of the GUIs, optimizing code, adding functionality, and the biggest change is that CAFE Mod actually works correctly (most of the time). Digging through the source code for the original CAFE, there were several features that are in CAFE Mod that were partially coded, then just stopped and never referenced again.

I don't think changing the name is that big of a deal. Not only is it a different app anyway, but it will then have a proper name and be able to become it's own app, instead of an improved clone of an existing app.

For an example of app's that are built on the same code, one is just modded, look at KompoZer and NVU. KompoZer is a modded and improved NVU mod. I believe KompoZer still credits the NVU team for the base code, I plan to keep credit to the original authors in this app as well.

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"

Ditto that. Smile

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OK, point taken...

OK, point taken, won't push more on this

And thanks ZachHudock for replying in a mature and polite way
Not everyone acts that way Wink

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Cool, thanks. I try to stay

Cool, thanks. I try to stay polite whenever I can. I realize you weren't trying to be offensive by requesting that the name stay the same, and you gave good reasoning, and kept things polite on your end as well, so I tried to return that politeness.

I was just trying to prove that your opinion was wrong. Wink (You are entitled to your opinion, as are the rest of us, this is merely meant as a joke)

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Yeah

That's a more elaborate and clear explanation of my thoughts. Blum

But, the NVU-KompoZer analogy is much better than the Flock-Firefox analogy. Wink

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How about...

I'd try to stay away from coffee puns, since most seem to have been used by Java developers Smile

How about "StickyFiles", because it "sticks" datafiles to their application? Or ExeTie (pronounced x-e-tie) to "tie" files to a .exe?

Edit: a possible icon for "StickyFiles" is a file folder with a jar of honey; for ExeTie a file or folder tied in string?

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Good ideas. I like both of

Good ideas. I like both of those.

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TEA - Temporary Extension

TEA - Temporary Extension Associator

Biggrin

(kinda like emule was to edonkey)

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lol nice

lol nice

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I don't like tea

But I like it as a the projects' name, it doesn't show what it does at first glance, it's VERY icon-able and... well... I just like it Biggrin

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Please vote for your favorite name:

Here are the names that have been submitted so far
(the ones I think are the best are first):

  • Xpresso ==> eXpresso
  • CClick (Coffee Click), or anything like that.
    I just thought of one: PClick (PortaClick)
  • Associate File Director
  • AMUPortable = Associate My USB Portable
  • AFA = Alt. File Associator
  • TEA = Temporary Extension Associator

And some more:

  • Parakeet
  • Journey
  • Capture
  • StickyFiles
  • ExeTie
  • Execute
  • Chauffeur

Pick the name you really like and vote for it. Personally, my vote goes to either eXpresso or PClick//PortaClick, depending on how people vote.

NeoRame, I need you to make an altered version of your new icon.
CAFE has a 'Paused' mode, and I need another icon for that. Can you change the blue rings in the icon to red, and have all the formats without the white rectangle (like This one)? Also, can you send me an ico file with that new icon, and this old one (cafe16pre.png)?
This will have the blue circles for normal, and the red circles for paused.
Thanks again for all your work.

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eXpresso

Good idea, who thought of it Wink

I like that it maintains some "roots" to CAFE
but is still catchy and eXpresses Wink a sense of speed and efficiency.

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I did.

Xpresso was already used by ~4 other apps around the web. Blum

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No, I did

I was being facetious.

You just truncated it Blum
It's mine, all mine.
I gonna run out and get a copywrite right now.

I'll license it to PortableApps and make a million dollars
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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We're OSS here!
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eXpresso

I vote for eXpresso.

Yeah, but how did you come up with that name. Remember Espresso? So, I'll just wait for you to do all the hard work, and once you have all your millions I'll sue you for at least half of it. Hahaha.

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Sorry

Ha ha! That smilely didn't register with me until I was halfway out my driveway yesterday. It's all good. Blum

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Lol

You can't copyright names, Blum

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eXpresso or TEA For the

eXpresso or TEA

For the icon, i prefer it with the "white rectangle" That rectangle is a file, and CAFE is used to associate files to executables, so it makes more sense. without the file image, it looks more like an application that would send out a series of rings to help you find your mouse pointer.

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here you

here you preview:

http://b.imagehost.org/0554/Preview.png

and here the download:

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the package included
-Red logo as png and ico
-blue logo as png and ico
-an icon library (.icl) blue and red in on file
-Preview

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Awesome.

Thanks again. That's perfect.

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Tea

Tea

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so

We're narrowing it down to eXpresso or TEA.

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I vote for TEA :D

I vote for TEA Biggrin

About the icon i like ZachHudock's idea of putting a "file" in the icon, altought i still like the current icon, don't know who made it but it's way better than the original... (i like the pause sign on the paused icon, it's pretty much self-explanatory, don't have to remember which color or icon is for paused mode and which is for working mode...)

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I did it

I made that icon. It was a hybrid of the generic executable & removable drive icons from the tango set, along with the letter C. Made it with my limited graphics skills when I started updating CAFE. Blum It also doesn't say much about what the app does, I can't really tell that the disk drive icon part is supposed to be removable.
I want to have a more professional looking icon, and that's why I've got NeoRame doing it for me Smile .
The original (Outdated pre beta 5 cafe) icon is part of the default set for AutoHotkey, the languange CAFE is coded in. H for "Hotkey running" and S for "Stoped", or something along the lines of that.
Red is pretty much the universal color for stop, so I thought it would be kind of easy to distinguish between the other icon, blue.

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I did make a sorta icon

it showed that it was directing documents at openoffice.org.
I'd say the best would be an icon that does this:
a file being clicked on points to an executable with the drive being plugged into the arrow.

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Finalizing name & Icon:

Well, I think I'm going to go with eXpresso as the new name. Any last comments? I think eXpresso is the most unique, out of all the names submitted. Thanks to Tim for the suggestion!

NeoRame: Since I've decided on eXpresso as the name, it would make sense to integrate it into the icon. Take a look at this image:
http://www.nascent-project.org/brian23/pics/eX.jpg
[I know it's bad, but that's the extent of my graphics skills at the moment. :p]
I'm imagining the 'e' centered in the blue/red rings and the 'X' attached to that. I forgot to put it in the image before I uploaded it, but I'd also like to have a dot to the bottom left of the 'e' so it looks like a file extension: .eX
Could you update the icon you made to include something like that?
Thanks again,
Brian

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whit the gray filetype image

whit the gray filetype image in the background??? or want you the same icon like this http://b.imagehost.org/0554/Preview.png but with the .eX text ????

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new name

was there really ever a vote? lol...

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Ha

Democracy overruled! Blum

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It's not really democracy

It's not really democracy when people don't actually vote...

Oh wait...............:)

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:p

Sorry, you guys were taking too long, and I wasn't going to wait weeks and weeks for you to decide a name for me. It wasn't really a vote, I was just looking for some feedback, which I thank you for. Smile

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aka my choice... it's open

aka my choice...
it's open source man!
everyone's opinion counts
(u could have done a pool, but then again it probably wouldn't mater either right?...)

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Exactly

Everybody's opinion does count when it's open source. That's why I made this thread :). This thread basically was a pool, just a disorganized one.

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