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What language is PA platform written in

What language is the PA platform written in. I am an intermediate hobby programmer and primarily write things for personal use. Mainly personalization or modifications to give of access. Any help is appreciated.

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Delphi. http://www.embarcader

Delphi.

http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

Unfortunately, the compiler costs $400+ dollars.. depending on which edition.

http://shop.embarcadero.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=39696&SP=10024&CI...

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It's $900

John recently said it was Delphi 2010 Pro IIRC, and that is $900. The $400 price point is an upgrade price, for those who legitimately own the 2009 (and perhaps older) editions.

That's one thing that's never made sense to me. The math just doesn't work. One guy's doing this site, paying for it out-of-pocket, the web prices have been described as in the $10-15K range annually, the platform is supposed to be free and open... yet it's developed with a $900 program. You can look at the source code, you can alter it, but you can't fully compile it for free (unless you pirate it).

Yet SourceForge is free, and there are a bunch of free sites you can use, not to mention free as well as open-source IDEs... so why top dollar for everything? Is it really just one lone ranger footing the bill? Because something is missing or I'm bad at math.

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John has a day job??

maybe part of this is being paid from Johns wages in his day job??

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Correct

Donations and ad revenue pay for part of the hosting and bandwidth fees. I pay the rest along with legal, etc.

Allowing commercial software and hardware vendors to use our software will bring in the revenue needed to make it self-sufficient.

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Strange. Why not Qt - free,

Strange.
Why not Qt - free, advanced, multiplatform and growing?

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not a language

QT isn't a programming language, or even a development environment, it is a set of graphics libraries for building user interfaces with.

Also, on a windows platform, most of the non-windows-originated widget sets (QT, GTK, etc.) cause a lot of versioning and compatability problems (because windows management of library versions is less than stellar) which means that apps often end up shipping with their own local copies of libraries that are supposed to be shared, which significantly increases the app size both on disk and in memory.

Finally, the platform isn't cross-platform, and most of the apps that it runs are not cross-platform, so there is really no advantage to it using a cross-platform library set.

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Also Huge

Qt is also huge. Currently, the platform compiled in Delphi 2010, compiles down to a single EXE file which, when UPX compressed, is only 543KB. That's impossible with Qt.

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$10-15 thousand for website

$10-15 thousand for website cost each year?

I don't buy that.........The software (Drupal) being used on the site is free. Since SourceForge is hosting the downloads, then that keeps from using bandwidth and server resources -- which if PortableApps hosted and maintained the software downloads, then the bandwidth and server resources would require more than what I suppose their server requirements are now. A domain renewal is $10 a year.

I run a dedicated server, push about 300-400 gig of bandwidth a month on my main site that has a forum going on 20,000 forum members and have another 90 or sites on the server (haven't added up what gig of bandwidth they are all pushing) - a few of those sites are mine but the rest are my clients sites running forums, store software, and etc... Not to mention ad scripts and such that use server resources.

Cost is around 3k for dedicated server a year.

If PortableApps is paying roughly $10-15 thousand a year in site cost, something doesn't add up.

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Costs

We run on a dual dual core dedicated box maxxed out with RAM and a RAID5 SCSI array with network backup on RackSpace. You pay a premium for a first tier host like RackSpace but the network has a no downtime guarantee (which they made good on last year when they had those network issues) and companies you're looking to do business with take it much more seriously than a 2nd or 3rd tier host. They manage the box, OS, web server and database server. We also have additional bandwidth on a separate account in the Rackspace Cloude required for hosting freeware like Skype, Canabalt, Foxit, IcoFX, SpyDLLRemover, XnView, etc. We regularly exceed our 1TB a month of allocated bandwidth for the site (which is just the site itself: html, css, js, images) due to our sheer level of traffic. We're about #6,000 in overall worldwide popularity.

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Am I missing part of the site

Am I missing part of the site other than the Drupal program your running? Ad campaign is Google's and uses their server resources so no ad script server side.

I see all apps are hosted off site so no downloads hosted server side.

Images/graphics are minimum on the site.

Why the need for RAID5 -- since nothing is hosted server side and everything else is minimum -- Drupal database is easy to backup (which is what this site is) and a cron job to run daily backup of the database off site for extra backup along with a daily weekly monthly backup up server side being ran?

For what is hosted on the site, isnt't RAID5 extreme?

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No

The entire site and much of our knowledge base is entirely in the Drupal database. It's at 2GB and climbing. Not using RAID5 (or similar that can handle a 1 drive die and swap) is just asking for a 1 day outage when your drive eventually goes.

Realistically, we are about due for another server upgrade and will probably go RAID 10 or 1 SATA instead.

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