Advice on Portuguese Localization(s)
There is no real reason to maintain two versions of Portuguese
- Portuguese (Portugal)
- Portuguese (Brazil)
thruout either the PortableApps.com platform or any of the portable Apps.
As of January, 2016 both forms are equally normalized orthographies between
- Portugal
- Brazil
- Cape Verde
and more Portuguese speaking countries.
Check it out on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Language_Orthographic_Agreement...
Best regards,
Nuno (Portuguese living in Brazil)
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According to the wikipedia entry, it would seem that PortugueseBr is closer than Portuguese, but do you have a sense for which of our localizations of the platform is closer?
Any thoughts (from you or others) on what to do with apps that continue to make this distinction? For example, Firefox makes both Portugal/Europe and Brazilian variants available, which are separate packages. LibreOffice has Angola, Brazil, and Portugal variants included. Are these simply legacy versions or are they available for folks who are more comfortable with what they are used to vs what a committee finalized in 2016?
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It's also important to keep in mind that, according to that wikipedia link, only 3 of 9 Portuguese-speaking countries have fully implemented the change, although others are in the process of doing so. Asa result, it may be necessary to keep multiple translations in place to handle those variations.
With that being said, Portugal and Brazil are using the same orthography, it appears.
This post is ridiculous. There is no agreement in place anywhere in the world, much less in Brazil.
We, Portuguese, do NOT use the same terms Brazilians use. In fact, their translations are much closer to Spanish terms.
@John T. Haller, please disregard this request, as it is simply offensive to us, Portuguese.
I kinda figured, which is why I left it unchanged. It would be nice if we could get the silly Portuguese to adapt to what the Brazilians have done to Portuguese just as if we could get the silly Brits to adapt to what the Americans have done with English, but I don't see it happening in either case. (Note: Heavy sarcasm there on both.) I'm gonna continue supporting both to keep the platform as broadly comfortable for all folks to use as possible.
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I'm also a Portuguese guy, and I must thank you for maintaining both languages which will always benefit both sides. Also, I fully agree with @Pedro and @RaphaelRB but totally disagree with @NunoEFSilva, because we Portuguese do NOT speak the same tongue/accent as Brazilians do. Sure, there may be some differences/similarities but they are NOT the same! That would be like apples and oranges comparison.
Also, just because some Portuguese "wiseguys" (referring to politicians, government, et cetera) signed the Orthographic Agreement doesn't mean that all of us Portuguese citizens have to follow suit. I mean, if someone told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? Not me... and I, for one, always hated that change, because it literally messed up with our original ways of saying/writing! Let me cite a few examples:
- You cannot say "I love my mother." as "Eu amo a minha mãe.", because that wording sounds abhorrently incestuous to us Portuguese. The correct way of saying is "Eu adoro a minha mãe.". Sure, "love" means both "amar" and "adorar", but to us Portuguese, "amar" is more on romantic/intimate terms while "adorar" is more on friendly terms.
- You cannot write "Stop!" as "Para!", because we Portuguese ALWAYS use accent marks to define different meanings. The correct way of writing is "Pára!". Because "para" means "to" and should not be mistaken with "pára" which means "stop".
- You cannot write "Action!" as "Ação!", because it misses a "C" word in it. The correct way of writing is "Acção!".
- You cannot write "Great!" as "Ótimo!", because it misses a "P" word in it. The correct way of writing is "Óptimo!".
- And so on, and so on...
I was educated with proper (and old) Portuguese orthography back in my school days during the 90s, and now ever since this orthographic change happened, I felt insulted and disgusted. Nowadays, I cannot stand watching TV shows/movies with Portuguese subtitles because they look "Brazilified" and incorrect for my tastes, and I feel ashamed and enraged of what they've done to our beloved language...
Fun fact: It was THE Portuguese people who discovered Brazil and taught them OUR language, NOT the other way around!
Conclusion: I (and probably most Portuguese people out there) stand against (and few also demand to ban) this new orthography and will always retain the old orthography... and the corrupt "wiseguys" have absolutely NO right to "Brazilify" our original language! But sadly, since our corrupt "wiseguys" are ALWAYS above the law, they'll NEVER stop recklessly accepting and changing everything on a whim and ALWAYS against us citizens' will, wishes, freedom of choice, et cetera.
Friendly reminder: I have absolutely nothing against Brazilians. What I DO have against is this new orthography that we Portuguese were forced to adapt.
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Please, allow me to contribute to the conversation, as a Brazilian who loves to learn languages...
There are some differences between European Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese indeed.
(I ask for the understanding of those who do not speak Portuguese, because I will give some examples of different words in both countries, differences that go far beyond the English "Color/Colour", for instance.)
In the computer subject, there are plenty of different words. I will write some of them I've seen at XnView (it always run in pt-pt, not pt-br, no matter how I set it up, so I've got used to use it in pt-pt).
Brazil: mouse, tela, arquivo, salvar, aspecto (da seleção), grade, girar (imagem), centralizado, inicializar etc.
Portugal: rato, ecrã, ficheiro, guardar, rácio (da seleção), grelha, rodar (imagem), centrado. arrancar etc.
English: mouse, screen, file, save, (selection) ratio, grid, rotate (image), centered, boot etc.
Some of words sounds quite the same, as "centralizado/centrado" or even "grid/grelha", but European Portuguese words "ecrã", "rato" and "arrancar" will sound a little awkward or funny to Brazilians (and I think Portugueses will laugh with some Brazilian words too).
It's not impossible to a Brazilian understand a European Portuguese computer text, but it doesn't sound natural. A general text can be far more difficult (just think as "cueca" is used to male underpants on Brazil and female underpants on Portugal).
Some programs may have bigger differences than XnView ones.
A small list of "computer word differences" can be seen at http://alfabeto.pt/o-alfabeto/lingua-portuguesa/diferencas-entre-portugu... and a bigger list of general words can be read at https://universotraducoes.com/conheca-as-principais-diferencas-entre-por... . The biggest list I've found is at https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vers%C3%B5es_da_l%C3%ADngua_portuguesa
PS: I've never said nor intended to say that Brazilian Portuguese is better than European or vice versa. In fact, I hate the word Brazilians use for "save" ("salvar") and other mistranslations Brazilians do as "deletar" for "delete" (only spoken, not written), or even not translating some words at all ("mouse", "laptop", "webcam"). I just think Brazil and Portugal have some striking and irreconcilable differences in the language.
Best regards,
Raphael
RaphaelRB - Brazil