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SeaMonkey Portable Launcher Test 1 (for 2.0 Betas/Alphas/Nightlies)

I've just posted a test of the SeaMonkey launcher for the upcoming 2.0 release. SeaMonkey (formerly known as Mozilla Suite) is an internet suite with a web browser, html editor, email, etc. It's what Firefox, Thunderbird and Sunbird were originally based on. It looks like they're finally implementing the -profile switch that allows it to become portable. So, I've put together the launcher for it.

You'll need to supply your own copy of SeaMonkey since SeaMonkey 2.0 is in alpha stages... and everyone is using and alpha or nightly build (which makes it silly to ship with a copy included). Just download a zip of a nightly release or a zip of the current alpha build from the bottom of this page and copy all the files from the seamonkey directory within the zip file to the SeaMonkeyPortable\App\SeaMonkey directory.

Download SeaMonkey Portable Launcher Test 1
(may take a few minutes to hit the download servers)

SeaMonkey Portable 1.x? Nope. SeaMonkey 1.x doesn't support the profile switches or structure we use in Firefox, Sunbird and Thunderbird. It has a messy binary configuration we'd have to update, replacing any local profiles, on each launch. So, we're waiting on SeaMonkey 2.0 to be released for the official portable version.

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Sweet!

Thanks, I'll give 'er a shot.

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zzzzzz

what happened? I'm still waiting for the portable seamonkey, it would be better than firefox, thunderbird and lightning: we only have to open one app -> less charge time, less memory, ... you know what i mean

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Awesome! I'll definitely

Awesome! I'll definitely test this one.

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I'm very happy now

I'm very happy now Smile

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Boo!

John sucks! He steals! Robber! *hides from John* Blum

Wish you could help me with Miro Portable. Firefox Portable's code is way to much to understand Blum
I should be able to get a PR out the door today though.

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Yay!

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I believe I found a bug I

I believe I found a bug

I put an INI with

[SeaMonkeyPortable]
AllowMultipleInstances=true

However, if I have my main browser open (Seamonkey) it reports that it's already running.

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I believe.

Allow multiple instances only allows multiple instances of the portable version because running local and portable at the same time is not a good idea usually.

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Mozilla browsers don't

Mozilla browsers don't support multiple instances. If you want a new window there should be a menu option for it.

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MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 (allows

MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
(allows multiple instances, I use a bat file to set that and then launch seamonkey.exe when I test nightlys so I don't have to close my main.)

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Actually

I'm pretty sure Firefox came before Seamonkey (but Mozilla Suite before Firefox).

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Seamonkey is the renamed

Seamonkey is the renamed community driven continuation of the Mozilla Application Suite, with it's name taken from the code name for the suite. Seamonkey came first.

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If Seamonkey came first, how

If Seamonkey came first, how come Firefox started out as "Phoenix" without the naming convention? That doesn't make sense unless Firefox aka Firebird aka Phoenix came before Seamonkey.

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The Mozilla Suite came

The Mozilla Suite came first. Then came Firefox branded as Phoenix and later Firebird; after that came Thunderbird. At LAST came Seamonkey, that is a RENAMED Mozilla Suite made by the community. This was what happened.
 

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That's what I said.

That's what I said. Sad Mozilla came before Firefox, and then after Firefox came a new Mozilla Suite rebranded as Seamonkey.

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Yes, but it's the direct continuation of the Suite. Wink
Therefore, Mozilla Suite == Seamonkey Suite

In any case, let's get back on topic Biggrin

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Ohhh

In any case, let's get back on topic

Its weired hearing that from YOU Wink

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Haha

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HTML editor worth the download?

Semi off-topic, but how good is the HTML editor in Seamonkey? My trial version of Frontpage 2003 @ work is about to expire and I need a replacement. Nvu/KompoZer didn't blow my skirt up the last time I tried it/them.

(I used to do all my HTML/CSS by hand in a text editor. I'm doing so much now I need a WYSIWYG GUI to keep up with demand...hence me using Frontpage...which I hate :mad:)

EDIT: Nevermind. After installing SeaMonkey and trying Composer out for HTML editing and then re-trying KompoZer out...I can see where NVU/KompoZer got their initial code from when the Mozilla Suite went OpenSource. The table editor is *exactly* the same in both Compser/KompoZer, that's how I figured it out. Biggrin

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VERY minor issue...

All the the text files I looked at in \SeaMonkeyPortable\App and subdirs refer to Firefox.

Edit: Also...if some newb wants to try SeaMonkey out (the non-newb normal PA beta test peeps will figure this out on their own) the SeaMonkey zip file extracts out to a \seamonkey directory. You need to go into that directory and copy ALL the files/folders in \seamonkey to the \SeaMonkeyPortable\App\SeaMonkey directory for the portable version to work right.

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Yes and I said that

I know about the text files... like I said, just a quick hack for people to try.

And I already mentioned the subdirectory.

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As I've already mentioned

As I've already mentioned before, I report all issues no matter how minor. Ignore as you please.

As far as the subdir thing goes, I read your initial post twice and my reading comprehension went into the toilet I guess and I totally missed that.

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Multiple instances

I know I brought this up earlier in the topic, and someone said it wasn't possible.

I just tried opening a normal firefox window, and then I used a portable firefox with

AllowMultipleInstances=true

in the ini.

However, when I have the line in Seamonkey portable ini, it still throws the error about another instance running if I have my main browser running.

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I haven't read the above comments

But it's only multiple instances of the Portable version.

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Then how come, it works with

Then how come, it works with Firefox(normal) and FirefoxPortable?

Firefox+Firefoxportable with (allowmultipleinstances=true)
WORKS

Seamonkey+Seamonkeyportable with (allowmultipleinstances=true)
ERROR says it's already open.

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So I was Wrong

It is for local and portable copies. It's late, and I'm not thinking too good. I'll look into the source of SeaMonkey.

Allows multiple instances for me. Make sure you're using the right SeaMonkeyPortable.ini from SeaMonkeyPortable\Other\Source

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Ok, I think I found what is

Ok, I think I found what is happening on mine.

I used these lines in the ini

[SeaMonkeyPortable]
DisableSplashScreen=true
AllowMultipleInstances=true

If my normal seamonkey is running, it errors and says it's already running. Then, if my normal isn't, this one will start WITH a splash screen.

I have this in the same directory as the launcher, but it appears to be ignoring it.

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Long shot, but maybe...

It is a long shot, but maybe you need to use the FirefoxPortable.ini. John only made a little hack to be able to run SeaMonkey. Maybe he as forgot to make the ini use [SeaMonkeyPortable] instead of [FirefoxPortable].

Try this:

[FirefoxPortable]
DisableSplashScreen=true
AllowMultipleInstances=true

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Ae you typing it just like

Ae you typing it just like that? CapiTiLiZation CountS. It needs to be:

AllowMultipleInstances=true

See SeaMonkeyPortable\Other\Source\SeaMonkeyPortable.ini for the format.

Also, do you have the ini file in the correct place?

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Yes, everything is right. I

Yeah, everything is right, I copied it over from the source directory, and changed that line to true and removed the others. (other than the header of course)

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Don't Remove the Other

It will skip it if some are missing.

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That was it. It

That was it.

It wanted

SeaMonkeyDirectory=App\seamonkey
ProfileDirectory=Data\profile
SettingsDirectory=Data\settings
PluginsDirectory=Data\plugins
SeaMonkeyExecutable=seamonkey.exe

to be there as well

Why does it require this?

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Just Cause

It will think that the INI is screwed up without them, and it won't bother with it.

I dunnno, ask John for more info. Blum

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Bug Report

SeaMonkey, Portable Edition leaves a folder in the "Mozilla" directory of the local hard drive.

self.path = path if self.path == None else self.path

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not workin

doesnt seem to work... i copied the content of the seamonkey folder from the zip to the SeaMonkeyPortable\App\SeaMonkey\ folder... i launch SeaMonkeyPortable.exe, the banner shows up but then nothing happens!
if i try to run Seamonkey.exe directly an error pops up with a message telling me that MOZCRT19.DLL is missing.

btw i dont have seamonkey installed on my system.

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Buggy

Seamonkey automated builds are buggy and occasionally won't launch at all. This is why it's not even at the alpha level yet. Just try a different nightly build.

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....

i've dlded the 1.1.9 zip version, then copied it in the same folder as before... and now SM starts but it seem it won't make the profile folder portable... it automaticaly creates the profile here: 'Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\Mozilla\' the same place where my old SM installation had it's profile folder... and a soon as i delete it, when i start SM portable the Profile folder pops out again in documents and settings... what should i modify to make it really portable???

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With 1.1.9 it does not work.

With 1.1.9 it does not work.

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Version 2.0 alpha needed

You are using the wrong version for this launcher. You need a nightly Seamonkey 2.0 alpha build. You can get it from the following link: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-trunk/. I have been using it for several weeks with no problem. There was a problem with a few of the builds about 4-6 weeks ago, but since then I haven't had any problems. The problem may have been a space problem on my USB drive. Also, be advised, these builds can now perform automated updates.

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works...

for some reason now works... i've dlded as before seamonkey-2.0a1pre.en-US.win32.zip.. but now it works just fine...
too bad that the mouse gestures and multizilla addons don't work!
will test this for a while but i'll stay with K-Meleon as my default browser.
thanks for the help anyway!

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A pair of silly questions

1) Is there any hope to have someday an official (stable) SeaMonkey Portable?

2) Sometimes you can make a portable program this way: a) install a full program on a PC; b) copy all the files (except uninstall.exe and uninstall.000, for example) to your portable device; c) uninstall the program from the PC. So, why it doesn't work with Seamonkey?

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1) I think we plan to once

1) I think we plan to once SeaMonkey itself becomes more stable.

2) Many apps (the Mozilla apps, Pidgin, 7-zip, and many others) don't keep their settings contained in the app's directory. Some apps use the %APPDATA% folder on the system, some keep their settings in the registry, some use both. In the case of SeaMonkey, it store's the users' profiles in %APPDATA%.

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More silly questions

1) Does anybody know the exact century when SeaMonkey Portable should be launched? Smile

2) FireFox and Thunderbird (both from Mozilla apps) are already portable, so why SeaMonkey isn't yet? Sad

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1) We're waiting for

1) We're waiting for SeaMonkey (non-portable) to become more stable, and add in a -profile switch, that will allow us to tell SeaMonkey to keep it's settings together with the app, instead of in %APPDATA%

2) Firefox and Thunderbird both support the -profile switch to set a custom path to the users' profile, SeaMonkey has not yet implemented this switch.

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Answers
  1. It's done when it's done™ (actually it is "It's done when Seamonkey 2 is done" Wink )
  2. Mozilla Seamonkey 1 does not have the -profile switch properties that are used by Firefox and Thnderbird Portable for changing the profile path automatically.

EDIT: Ok, it's what Zack said. But mine is funnier.

Oh, and... please use <ol> lists for being prettier. Pleaaaaase? Biggrin

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I'm not sure

I'm not sure that I will learn quickly the tags you're using here. Though I could evaluate myself as an experienced user, HTML-writing isn't my cup of tea.

By the way, why don't you use here something like Simple Machines Forum?

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uhhh, because it is closed source?

Isn't SMF closed source, with redistrbution restrictions on it?

Also, from what I understand it is basically a forum system. Drupal (which they use here) is a full CMS, and incorporates a forum within that (it may be a simple forum module, but Drupal itself goes way beyond what non-CMS systems could do in other ways)

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I was just kidding

I was just kidding with that on the bottom, but if you want you can go to here for more info.

Basically is a <ol> tag for opening an ordered list, placing each list item between <li></li> tags and closing the list with </ol>

Example:

<ol>
<li>List Item #1</li>
<li>List Item #2</li>
</ol>

Which Gives

  1. List Item #1
  2. List Item #2

And beyond what Jimbo said, I think that they don't use that (I'm supposing you're talking about BBcode) because this forum doesn't allow as much tags as BBcode would, for keeping the layout clean. Plus, BBcode is a bad base for HTML learning as it teaches to implement deprecated tags and less users know HTML, that makes the forums layout cleaner.

But lets go back to the topic, shall we?

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Where should I report or what should I do?

Yes, let's come back to the topic.

I have some more (not silly now) questions. First of all I must mention that I'm using Seamonkey with the Russian language (so I'm sorry if I make a mistake in translating back to English). And I noticed some bugs in it.

  1. When I try to download a file I get a window saying:
    XML syntax analysis error: unknown symbol
    Address: chrome://communicator/content/downloadmanager/downloadmanager.xul
    Line 53, symbol 1
  2. When I fill in any password for the first time a dialogue appears asking me if I want to save the password. That's OK, but the problem is that there is no question if I want to save it. I see only "Yes" and "No" on the two of three buttons. I saw this window in FF and could guess its meaning.
  3. When I use the e-mail client it always asks the password for my e-mail box. Couldn't it be remembered from the first time I fill it in?

Where should I report or what should I do?

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MozillaZine

Got to MozillaZine Forums. This is about Seamonkey 2, that is in beta alpha state, so go to MozillaZine Forums, follow to the Seamonkey Build Forum, and give your info. Don't forget that Seamonkey 2 is in alpha state, so it can be really buggy.

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I can't go there

I tried to follow your advice but in vain. I can't register there - they say: "Sorry, but this e-mail address has been banned."

Why am I banned? I have never written there and my address was never used for spaming or whatever illegal activity.

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I think they banned all of mail.ru due to spammers and forum trolls.

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No Files!

I downloaded the app, installed it and when I wanted to run it it said:"seamonkey.exe was not found. Please check your configuration." So I went to H:\PortableApps\SeaMonkeyPortable\App\SeaMonkey and there was nothing in that folder. Maybe You(John) Would like to fix that

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Thats because........

I believe there are no files because Seamonkey is in Alpha. I also believe they are always updating it "nightly" thats why John said it would be "Silly" to include it. So he could put files there but then it would be different the next day or whenever they update it.

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Please read the post above.

This is only a launcher. Post reads: "You'll need to supply your own copy of SeaMonkey." This works in conjunction with the seamonkey.exe downloaded from the Seamonkey homepage.

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suitable for latest alpha (3) ?

Is this launcher suitable for the latest seamonkey 2.0 alpha 3 ?

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yes it is .....

yes it is ...

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AWESOME!

AWESOME!

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2.0 beta 2

does this work for the betas or just the alphas?

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It'll work for the current Beta.

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Can't use Portable Launcher

Okay, I've downloaded the launcher, copied all the seamonkey files, including seamonkey.exe, into the same directory as the portable launcher.

I get a message that seamonkey.exe can't be found -- check your configuration. I've looked at any file that looks like a config file. Can't find a clue.

Can someone help? Thanks.

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You've put them in the wrong place

If you re-read the top post, there is a line in it that tells you exactly where to put the files expanded from the nightly (or beta), though it is pretty well hidden in the text.

You need to put them in a subdirectory compared to the seamonkeyportable.exe called App/SeaMonkey - the folder should already be there when you install the launcher, but empty.

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2.0 Official

John, I just tested this with the ofifcial 2.0 of SeaMonkey. Everything works fine, but %AppData%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey is left behind. It only contains crash reports, though.

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