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ToDoList 5.3.9 Portable Need feedback. (Discontinued)

I am attempting to make ToDoList 5.3.9 paf compliant.

What: ToDoList is a hierarchical task manager with native XML support for custom reporting. It allows you to repeatedly sub-divide your tasks into more manageable pieces, which makes it ideal for IT related projects as well as more general activities.
Size: about 2MB
Registry: None
Writes Settings: .xml file
Web Site: (link removed)
License: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic

(link removed) is a copy of the folder with ToDoList setup for portable use (not paf).

(link removed) is my start on paf directory structure.

Feedback?

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Make Sure

You read the license carefully, as it could be quite different than the GPL, and have some catches. I'll check into your Dir Struc so far.

Yea, it's what I thought. I think you saw it as well.

Share Alike. If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

So you can't use the installer for now, I think you knew that.

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Very liberal

Seems very liberal so far. It is a simple license.

Here is the whole thing:

You are free:

    * to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
    * to Remix — to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

    * Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).

    * Share Alike. If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

    * For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work. The best way to do this is with a link to this web page.
    * Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder.
    * Nothing in this license impairs or restricts the author's moral rights.

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GPL

Wouldn't GPL be considered a similar license?

How does the installer change the base app?

It simply places the app in the paf format, correct? It does not alter the underlying app itself.

I think I will email the dev and see if I can get permission to re-release with the installer under GPL.

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Well...

I don't think they're that similar. Maybe John has some idea. He didn't compile the CC icons into the GPL menu, so I dunno.

By the way. For you PAF directory structure. I find it's best to make the structure, and compile everything from the source directory, and then just move AppNamePortable.exe up two directories to test it.

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Indeed.

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Emailed.

I emailed the dev and asked if we could mix the license's. I am sure he is sleeping though. He is an Aussie.

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Emailed back

I justed got an email from the original dev.

Here is what I emailed him:
Your license is CC Attribution-Share Alike 2.5. Ours is GPL for the installer and the portable launcher. You can give your permission for us to use your app and over ride the license so that we can release the whole package as GPL. Of course all credit would be given.

Here is is response:
Can you outline the implications for me releasing under GPL?

I want to make sure I am explaining this properly. Any thoughts?

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Well,

Creative Commons should only be used for artistic works, such as images, documents and the like. The GPL was designed for programs and source code and as such, is much better.

Also, Creative Commons and the GPL don't like to mix.

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Under the GPL his source

Under the GPL his source code would be fully available, but any derivative works of his project (forks made by others, or just partial use of his code by others) must also be released under the GPL. It is against the terms of the license for somebody to take his code and write a closed-source application with it.

And what Ryan said about CC is usually for images, documents and things like that.

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At least suggest GPL 2 as GPL

At least suggest GPL 2 as GPL 3 isnt that favorite with many Open Source developers.

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Yeh

Creative Commons and GPL don't mix very well. Let the author know (this should be to Bill) that Creative Commons is more for text and images than executable code, and he should use the GPL instead.

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Nice app for portablizing

I'll probably be an end-user of it. Wink

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Right now.

You can start right now.

The first file listed above can be extracted and placed in the PortableApps folder. Once we get it into the paf then you can import or copy your .tdl files and copy your settings over.

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I did download it

There are duplicate files (three copies of the same file in some cases). I'll wait until it's cleaned up and sorted out.

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CC vs GPL

All CC licenses are GPL incompatible (except public domain) according to the FSF themselves.

That said, if you're thinking about doing this as an official PortableApps.com app, you can start working on it as the current installer can be used in that fashion.

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Three things.

Since the source code is available and CC allows relicensing to another type of license if permission is given, then can the original author give his blessing for us to re-compile and release under GPL?

What is FSF?

I am not sure I understand what you mean about the current installer. Does that mean the installer can use the CC license for the app and GPL for the installer?

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Licensing, FSF, Installer

If the copyright holder of an app under ANY license gives permission to relicense, you can. This is usually difficult with open source, though, as their are often multiple contributors and you need permission from ALL of them (hence why some open source projects do copyright assignment on some level).

The FSF is the Free Software Foundation, the ones in charge of the GPL, LGPL, etc.

The current installer can be used with non-GPLed apps provided they are being done as PortableApps.com releases.

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Oh

So as long as we don't re-compile and make changes to the app itself then we can move forward with a CC app and a GPL installer.

What about the launcher?

EDIT: Just got a spam msg? What is up with that?

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Launcher stays GPL

As they are 2 seperate binaries and the source code for them is completely seperate, then you can mix them together.

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Good.

When I get time I will proceed.

Starting a new job tomorrow. Gonna be kinda busy at first, but it will give me more free time overall.

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PAFfing ToDo list

I just started a new job, and I'd like to get the folks here onto this app. However, the Win admin seems to be a bit "conservative". Therefore, I'm looking for a portable solution.

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Try Task Coach Portable

Try Task Coach Portable instead. It has similar features, is more regularly updated, and is already made portable by this site.

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Hehe...

Technically we can defy the FSF because it never managed to get the OSS trademark according to the book I'm reading (Free for All)

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The current Installer has the

The current Installer has the exception which also limits its use to portableapps.com, but you are the one that included this limitation. Any particular reason why?

For any non PortableApps.com exclusive paf.exe installers one need to rebuild the installer from the ground up, but some things in the installer will become pretty similar to the official one due to the fact how NSIS works.

Any news (when for example) on opening the Installer for non PortableApps.com releases of non GPL applications?

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Beta test

Can somebody mo ve this to beta testing?

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I think he put this here

because it's still an alpha test.

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Status?

Is this a dead project? Did Dan not like the GPL differences? This would be a very beneficial project and seems to be much more straight forward on its controls than the Task Coach. If anyone knows where a more up-to-date version is, please let me know. Biggrin

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You shouldn't knock on the Task

You shouldn't knock on the Task Coach. It's by far the most useful app (for me) on the site. I haven't tried this app, but from the description it doesn't sound like it does anything Task Coach can't do.

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Well, ya know

YMMV, I like having all the controls right in front of me and not drilling down. I like not having a popup menu to change the name, and I like being able to make extended notes in the task. You may be able to do this with TaskCoach, it just seems easier in ToDoList. I can also link internally to other tasks, connect to html links, and set responsibilities and people. I can use multiple task lists and multiple files open at once. I am really not into bashing other programs, I just see a lot of benefits for me from this one. I use it at home and carry it with me, I would just like to see it here with a portable launcher that conforms to this structure. That way I don't leave anything on anyone else's computer.

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I've had no problems using

I've had no problems using the "Update" menu to update my portable installation. That has kept me up to date with the latest available.

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"lost" stylesheets

Hi,

after the last update I was missing the style sheets. Why are personal stylesheets deleted? Luckily I found it in the backup folder.

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Discontinued

ToDoList Portable has been discontinued and will no longer be updated by the PortableApps.com Platform's updater/app store. We no longer support nor recommend the app.

The last update you installed was a converter that converted it to a standard ToDoList zip format. As part of that process, we attempted to move all your data files to the appropriate locations for the layout so you wouldn't have to do it all manually. We also preserved all your existing data in the _Archive-ToDoListPortable folder, as you saw, just in case someone was doing something custom that we hadn't written code to move from the PAF app layout to he ZIP app layout.

The details were shown in the license agreement as you installed the update:

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IMPORTANT INFORMATION
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ToDoList Portable by PortableApps.com has been discontinued. This installer will convert ToDoList Portable to a standard ToDoList zip install. Your settings and existing task lists will be backed up. We will also attempt to copy them to the proper locations for ToDoList zip to use automatically.

Please note that while ToDoList will still be available to you within the PortableApps.com Platform, it will not automatically be upgraded by the platform, not switch languages to match the platform, and not have its data backed up when you select to backup application data in the platform's backup utility. ToDoList zip has an integrated update checker but requires admin rights and will be unavailable to you in most portable situations. You can also check the publisher's site for updates and manually download and unzip them.

The details are also included in the file called _ToDoList Portable Conversion Details.txt

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