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PortableApps.com IRC Status

As I outlined in this comment, I think that we need to vote for some new Ops in the PortableApps.com IRC at irc.freenode.net #portableapps. The current Ops in the channel are Ryan, Patrick, John, Tim, and I. It is, however, up to us as to who actually gets in there. If all of you vote for someone that we agree with, then we'll do it. If we don't agree with your decision, we'll take a different guy.

Here are the guidelines: I'd like to get one nomination for each member, and thereon each vote will count as one vote. You cannot vote for/nominate yourself. Once again, this is up to the Ops as to who is actually added.

Here are the current votes/nominations:

  • Zach Hudock: 5
  • Zach Thibeau: 4
  • Jacob Mastel: 2
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I nominate Zach Huddock he's

I nominate Zach Huddock
he's been around a while, good dev, plays well on the IRC, doesn't abuse power

but maybe all the Mods and Admins of the forums should be ops to, that woudl kinda make sense

Lead, Follow, or get out of the way.

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second, but I haven't seen

second, but I haven't seen him that often on IRC.

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yeah

Zach's a great guy, but I haven't seen him on IRC much either.
I like the idea of having all the forum mods do it, that would make sense.

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Oh

He's on. Just not in #portableapps.

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Yeah.

I would agree with that, if only he were on more.

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Well,

Logan is around all the time...

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I might get shot, but I don't

I might get shot, but I don't second that.

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i would say myself but

i would say myself but because i cant i say zach hadduck

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Mm.

Yes, no offense to Logan, but I don't think he has enough experience.

Logan: Really, no offense intended. Smile

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'LOGAN'

It's 'LOGAN'. Smile His name is not Logan, but his nick is LOGAN. Blum

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My mistake. Blum

Sorry, LOGAN. Not only did I disagree with nominating you, but I butchered your nick.

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The only thing is

I wasn't nominating him, I was thinking out loud. Blum

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Zach Thibeau (I hope I spelt

Zach Thibeau (I hope I spelt you're name right)

I nominate him.

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I'll second that

I'll second that

Lead, Follow, or get out of the way.

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Yup you got it right., thanks

Yup you got it right., thanks for the nomination

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you're welcome

you're welcome

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Yeah.

I could go with that. I'll vouch for him too. Smile

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I vote for Zach Thibeau Smile

Na na na, come on!

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wow

thanks for the support David Smile

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Hmm

I vote: no one.

Reasoning: Ideally, we don't have anyone as ops in the channel. The forum moderators are voiced to show that they are official moderators/developers. If there's anyone who doesn't have auto-voice for their nick but thinks they should, mention it here and I'll add the correct privileges. The only time we need ops is to remove a spammer/flamer/general-annoyance, and this doesn't happen. The only *other* reason is if we need to go to the Freenode staff for something, in which case we should discuss and confirm in the forums first. The only person permanently opped on the channel is ChanServ, for obvious reasons.

Thus ends the essay. Happy reading.

(My apologies to everyone, I've been massively busy in the last few weeks and haven't managed to read everything. I do promise to read every unread post though and get back to the Scribus topic. )

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Like the other day...

where I was telling a story, and David kept giving remarks, so Patrick silenced him...
I don't know if he gave a temp voice or not.
Say, who would need a voice?

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Huh?

When was this?

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You know, the

John and his wife thing, that was really funny, and you know the rest...

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Oh

Shhhh Blum

We were talking about why john wasn't on IRC that much back then. Blum and i was only kidding.

Dave appologies to john if he's hurt in any way Sad

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Hm.

Excellent point. I can't say you're wrong, there.

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The forum moderators are

The forum moderators are voiced to show that they are official moderators/developers.
Patrick is the only one I see on a consistent basis. I see Steve Lamerton on occasion. I haven't seen you, but that's probably because of time zone issues. Are developers voiced or only moderators/developers? If so, that's about 10 lightyears ahead of us, as we have few moderator/developers in the channel.

The only time we need ops is to remove a spammer/flamer/general-annoyance, and this doesn't happen
Point taken. But at some point you will. If a chan op isn't available, you have a problem.

(My apologies to everyone, I've been massively busy in the last few weeks and haven't managed to read everything. I do promise to read every unread post though and get back to the Scribus topic. )
Dually Noted.

My point is that while we may not need more chan ops now, we will need them eventually. We have Patrick to thanks for bringing the channel to life again. I see no one who has chan op privileges in there on a consistent basis. I believe it needs to be so that we have someone with chan op privileges at any given point in the day.

This is a pole. We like the idea. You don't like the idea and have supported your position. Now, I pick at it, make up my position.

Someone else may now pick.

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Ah, but you see

Yes, but you see the reason we aren't opped is because we aren't needed. Freenode itself recommends to stay deopped unless needed.

To op ourselves on the channel takes 2 seconds in a PM to ChanServ. However, most commands can be done with ChanServ exclusively.

i.e. Say a spammer comes on to the channel. We have 2 possible options here:

  1. Remove him ourselves - This involves 3 commands. /msg ChanServ op #portableapps, /mode +b spammer and /kick spammer
  2. Use ChanServ exclusively - This involves 1 command. /msg ChanServ akick #portableapps spammer

In case number 2, we don't need to be opped at all and ChanServ does all the work for us. This also has the advantage that it's anonymous and the identity of the op is hidden.

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Umm.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't get that to work. (Don't worry, I'm working on my own channel :P) When you use the akick command, ChanServ asks me whether I want to add to, delete from, or list the akick list. So, in my case, I'll type /msg ChanServ akick #kevinporter add spammer. However, this does absolutely nothing. (And rightly so, I can't imagine Freenode.net implementing something into ChanServ that allows those that aren't Opped to kick a user.) Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I've done exactly what you say will ban and kick a user.

Also, maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see where anonymity is necessary in kicking/banning a spammer. In any case, if someone wanted to see who the Ops are, they could view the access list (/msg ChanServ access #portableapps list).

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Well...

Is the channel registered and do you have full permissions on the access list? ChanServ works off the access list for a channel, not on whether you are opped or not. I can confirm that I have deleted and added a few bans using AKICK.

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Yep.

Yes and yes. I have full permissions and my channel is registered. Kind of odd, no?

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So we stay de opped. But the

So we stay de opped. But the safety net is there

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Access list

I've given Steve and John full permissions (which John didn't have for some reason...). If I'm forgetting anyone, tell me.

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I just remembered something:

when is the polls module getting out?
There's so many forum polls in the off-topic forum...

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I vote for Zach Thibeau :D

I vote for Zach Thibeau Biggrin

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i vote Zach Hudock

he is good in the forums, and does not mess around and helps whenever he can

plus i vote that both Ryan and Kevin be put on suspension and both these guys take there place as a test

to see why read the following log

[21:57:06]	rmccue|afk sets mode +m
[21:57:27]	Cannot send to channel: #portableapps
[21:57:28]	rmccue|afk: Now who's got the blastin' power?!
[21:57:29]	rmccue|afk: :P
[21:57:32]	rmccue|afk (n=rmccue@unaffiliated/rmccue) is now known as rmccue
[21:57:39]	rmccue sets mode -m
[21:57:45]	powerjuce: rmccue
[21:57:48]	KevinPorter: :P
[21:58:05]	rmccue sets mode +b %KevinPorter!*@*
[21:58:10]	rmccue: WTF?
[21:58:15]	rmccue sets mode -b KevinPorter!*@*
[21:58:16]	ChanServ enables 'Op' status for KevinPorter
[21:58:25]	rmccue disables 'Op' status for KevinPorter
[21:58:26]	OliverK: this is why we dislike you at times
[21:58:32]	rmccue:  /kick KevinPorter
[21:58:54]	rmccue notes the +q changed into +b
[21:58:59]	powerjuce: yea
[21:59:00]	ChanServ enables 'Op' status for KevinPorter
[21:59:00]	KevinPorter kicked rmccue: KevinPorter
[21:59:03]	KevinPorter: :D
[21:59:13]	powerjuce: KevinPorter: i was talking 2 him
[21:59:30]	KevinPorter: Sorry. Had to do that.

btw this is all a joke (the suspension part not the log) Blum

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:P

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It was bloody annoying to

It was bloody annoying to me

I'm sure it annoyed everybody else as well

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Soo?

I have yet to hear from anyone else as to nominations or votes, and I (don't recall) speaking to Patrick or Ryan (other then the below comments) about adding another Op.

Recently in the IRC I was discussing with other users that we really need more Ops, as evidenced by a recent problem with the user truthseeker. If you want to know about it, alpha1 or I can send you the logs. Anyhow, we seriously need more Ops, especially with the increased traffic that the IRC and the site has been receiving lately. If you notice, we've hit a big spike in users registering.

My opinion on this is that more Ops are better than less. I just entered the IRC this morning with no Ops there. I'm the only one. If a spammer came in before I joined, they couldn't have done a thing. Not cool. I see no reason to fight this, but then again I could be wrong. Beee

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Kevin's Right, we need more

Kevin's Right, we need more ops

I come in and sometimes I'm there for a few hours before there's an op there, and even when there is they aren't always there physically. in my opinion, there should always be 1 Op that is there and active, and not 3 feet from the keyboard, working on something and paying no attention to the IRC

@Ryan, please make at least 1 more Op, even if they don't have full permissions, they should be able to Kick/ban/mute the channel as well as appoint a voice or another Op, at least for a short time, if needed.

Anyone agree with me that Jacob Mastel would make a good op?

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Sure. Actually, I've

Sure. Actually, I've registered #portableapps.com. If nothing happens (again), I promise to be a good dictator. I'll set more the 18th. Would you send me the logs with truthseeker? Let me know if you need my email

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Logs

I or Mike (alpha1) could send you the logs. I'm not sure if I have your email anywhere, so just post it here if you could, thanks. Smile

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m r [dot] s o u p 1 2 @ g m a

m r [dot] s o u p 1 2 @ g m a i l [dot] c o m Take out the spaces. And if you could attach it as a .txt, I'd be thankful, as my phone can open it. Thanks

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Yeah

I could get you some interesting logs too if you want. I need an email though.

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Thanks

Hey thanks for the vote of confidence :).

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another vote for Jacob

another vote for Jacob Mastel.

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TimClark feels like no one

17:07 | TimClark feels like no one thinks he's god enough Sad
17:07 | *good enough
17:07 | TimClark feels like people think he has no idea what he's doing Sad
17:07 | *** TimClark quit (insecurity error: 104 (Not appreciated by peers))

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Oh, wait, I'm not good enough and I don't know what I'm doing ! Blum

Yes, we need another Op or 2

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Hey.

Tim, you're learning. I had no idea how to use the /me command only a year or two ago. You're an excellent moderator, and you're just getting your IRC legs. Give it a while. Smile

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I think we all know that

I think we all know that you're good enough thats why you are a mod Smile
And i second the request for some more Ops.

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Speaking of votes,

when is John going to get us people poll type content?

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He'll get to it

He'll get to it when he gets to it. "The wheels of John grind slowly but they grind super small."

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Actually I got three

I got alpha1's, OliverK's sure, and TaffinFoxcroft's.

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Nomination doesn't count. Mike (alpha1) nominated you. So, only two. Smile

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Ah okay

Just making sure Smile

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