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What I would speak

I see the adds for high schoolers to get laptops. With the PAM, I don't thinks that's necessary. At any rate:
Internet
*Mozzila FireFox (Maybe- I don't use it much, but some people would like the Idea)
*Mirand IM (its portable, and cross meesenger- let's you run yahoo and hotmail at the same time)
*Keepass- If they're gonna have the internet, they might as well have keepass
*ClaimWin- Personally, I don't use it much, but oh well. It's nice to have a backup
*Mozilla Sunbird (if that's the address book) I suppose would be nice. I check all my email online so I don't need the other.
Functionality
*7-Zip- I tell everyone about it- on the highest self-extraction setting, I shrunk 6. some odd mg down to two.
*OpenOffice 2.2 or current (let's get away from Word- Its evil and overly expensive)
Games
*Mines Perfect Portable- I might figure it out someday
*Sodoku- Everyone plays it- its nice to have a time waster like it handy
Other
*Virtual Magnifying Glass might be nice, so you might as weel include
*Onscreen Keyboard just becuase.
Maybe somebody with time on their hands could write an unistaller for them. Just an Idea

That's what I would say should be in the package. My collection is here but to be honest I probably never use half of them.

One last thing before I sign off this post- may you go have the lite and standard on one page, then link to another page where you could download diffrent packages- like one that's entirely internet, or programing or painting or mix it however.

I started out with the base, then added in. It's how I learned about this stuff.
Maybe we should make it so they have to learn something about the way the program works. The more they learn by figuring it out- the more they want to know.

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*Laughs out loud*

I wonder if you ever expected a response like this, John.
As for my 1 cents (because I'm too tired for 2)

I would like to see a "Full" edition that basically combines everything except for similar apps.

Example:
VLC player but not Mplayer (As stated before, VLC plays everything and is even a DVD player).
Open Office but not Abiword.
Pidgin but not MirandaIM.

Everything else should be included.

The only issue I can see in this is choosing between NVU or Kompozer (I use the latter).

Just a thought.

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See Ultra

It's already planned. It's going to be the Ultra Edition. And it won't be updated as frequently. But it'll be a full set of apps.

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Thanks

I thought it was, but I wasn't sure. I use practically every app here except the similar ones so a full package would be great to give to a mate who's done a fresh install of their OS without having Office or anything to put on it.

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If not 7-Zip how about 6-Zip

Since 7-Zip is too tricky, how about to add 6-Zip that is on Xenon Portable? It's easier to use, and users won't get confused Biggrin .

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One size doesn't fit all

I was reviewing this threads before posting here:
https://portableapps.com/node/9181
https://portableapps.com/node/6092

I think that it will be very great to support several suites (configurations) for Portable Apps, I was wondering how to build my own suite to distribute it among a group of teachers who want to create educational content.
In a nut shell I was planning to include the following packages:
Portable Apps for educators V 1.0:

  • XamppLite Server (wich includes Apache,MySQL, PHPMyadmin)
  • Moodle (a wow! Learning Management System)
  • A Wiki for content creation(not taken the decision yet, maybe stickywiki, media wiki or tidly wiki)

Portable Apps for educators V 1.x:

  • Xampp Server (wich includes Apache,MySQL, PHPMyadmin, Mercury SMTP)
  • Moodle (a wow! Learning Management System)
  • A Wiki for content creation(not taken the decision yet, maybe stickywiki, media wiki or tidly wiki)
  • Thunderbird (to simulate the roles at Moodle)
  • Audacity to create Podcasts
  • Virtual Dub for some videos

What I'm trying to tell is that a suite strongly depends on the person (profile).
It will be great if we can easily share configurations and packages for portable apps using an update system (maybe an XML or something).
In that way we can quickly build suites for specific profiles e.g.
PApps Suite for teachers, students, scientists, secretary, etc.

Maybe a crazy idea, maybe not!
What do you think?

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Nope

The goal of the Suite is to provide a good general base of applications for everybody. The more versions of it there are, the more work it is to do something as simple as update an individual application like Firefox. Compiling and uploading the Suite takes about an hour or so. Per version. So, updating Firefox after the next version of the Suite will take 3 hours of work. If we added in 2 more Suite packages, it would suddenly take 5.

The Suite isn't supposed to be the be all and end all for everyone. It's just a good base of applications for certain sizes of flash drives that pretty much everyone can use... that's why we don't add in extra stuff that only certain people will use. The PortableApps.com Platform is the real base (menu, backup, icons, folders and autorun) on which anybody can load any apps they want.

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Trying to make a point

Sorry to hijack this thread I understand this is maybe off-topic but I´m trying to make a point Smile
I think my proposal doesn't imply more work, let me explain with a real world example.
Eclipse the well known IDE has a base edition (like the PortableApps.com Platform does) and also has some optional distros (http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/)
devoted to specific types of people (developers), this distros can be supported by the Eclipse team or by third parties.
This distros are just Eclipse + some specific addons. This add ons can be bundled together (as a distro) or downloaded using a bookmark file that is consumed by eclipse update system.
This file is just a simple text file (xml) telling the base app where to find the latest stable release for each plugin.
Something like a list of pairs like

ApplicationName1=URLLatestRelease1
ApplicationName2=URLLatestRelease2

....
Of course this is just an example and there are tons of them.
To have a new suite will mean to write a bookmark file.

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Can't Do

Which we can't do because the files are hosted on SourceForge which uses multiple mirrors with a redirect, which doesn't work with a system like this. It's been discussed before.

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OK

OK thanks for your feedback, maybe it wasn't a good idea.

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It is

Oh, it is a good idea. And planned for the future. We just can't do it without our own download servers. SourceForge.net provides free downloads for us. If I were hosting the downloads on our web provider that hosts this site on a beefy dedicated, managed server (which we pay approximately $13,000 a year for) it would cost about $20,000. Per month. For all the bandwidth we use for downloads.

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My 2 cents

Glad to hear that it is a planned feature John, in the meantime I will build this educational suite, do you happen to know an active thread where I can join with this topic?
Finally I will add my two cents to this thread.
I will add PokerTH instead of Sudoku Biggrin
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Just to note, if you use cURL from the command line, it works. Using that worked for me and automatically redirected to the URL on a mirror. I think the trick is to remove text/html from the Accept header.
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Ryan?

Finally, we're on at the same time. IRC. NOW. Smile

Sorry for the off-topicness.

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How about Lightning instead of Sunbird?

I use the Lightning add-on for Thunderbird Portable and really like the integration. Plus, it's about 4.5MB in Data\profile\extensions rather than 18MB installed.

Perhaps a consideration for the Light or Standard versions...

<EDIT>
Sorry, I missed the previous comment about the license restricting the inclusion of Lightning with the TB distribution. It would be possible to include a small batch file in the ThunderbirdPortable directory that launches TBP & a browser loaded with a quick HOW-TO linking to one of these URLs:
   http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/download.html
   https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2313
Not as clean as a bundle, even if you made TB go fetch and install it automatically. Sad
</EDIT>

Other than the inclusion of games in the Light version, I agree with the logic of all of your other suggestions. (PAM does have that handy Options -> "Get More Apps..." menu item...) Just a thought: What about a runonce tooltip balloon, highlighting the Options menu as the place to go to Get or Install new apps?

Thanks. -hea

P.S. You have done an amazing job pulling all of this together! I've been on 1.0b4 for a while now and can't wait to see what wonders you've accomplished with b5 and 1.1. And, yes, I am about to go donated. :-}

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Portable Accounting

It would be nice to see Portable Accounting added to the Suite as alot of people use accounting software Smile GnuCash has been made portable so maybe add it Smile

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Nope

Most people don't use it. Heck, I don't even use it.

The Suite is only for the base apps that nearly everyone uses. So, while most of us geeks use FileZilla, most average Joe's don't... so it's not included. Same with KompoZer.

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What about an advanced (geek) version of the suite?

If there was an "advanced user version" for all the geeks Smile , it would save trouble downloading all those other apps like FileZilla, Notepad++, NSIS ,KompoZer, etc. etc. etc. Maybe make it available on the Development page, but not bother giving it as much promotion as the other versions.

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How 'bout this,

why not let the user decide using combining something such as the portableapps.com updater so that it downloads latest, easy to update, and more choicey. Then make a parameter that allows self extraction to the portableapps folder.

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Idea...

Here's my contribution:
How about adding a link on the menu to the app directory and/or the beta testing page (put it with the help & search buttons). This would make it simpler for average users to locate more apps and download them.

Even better: What if a small app was made that would read a database of all available apps, then compare it to the ones installed on the user's drive. It could then provide a list of apps that are not yet installed, and if the user wants another app, it would then download the installer with GNU wget. This could have potential. Make it kind of like the windows "Add/Remove programs" thingy, but with more features specific to portableapps. An advanced updater. I'd be willing to persue this... if I ever get free time Wink !

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Ultra/My 2 cents

There should be a ultra for users like me with 8GBs, this is my list:

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Looking at all these

I would say the best is to get them to integrate the updater with the Base Platform Installer so they can choose what they want to install. We can have some options next to the main list, with preset options like Standard, Ultram, etc.
This is because we are open source, and we give the option to the user. This setup would give the most possible options.

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Light

For the base, there are no apps. Nothing much to say here.

For the light version, here is a low-size app list with the main essentials. It's been stripped down as much as possible to have apps everyone will want. I tried to avoid the things most computers already have, like decompression, and video players as much as possible.

Firefox
ClamWin
Thunderbird
Sudoku
Abiword

For the regular one, I thought of the apps I use the most, and that most users will easily catch on to. I feel more inclined to add apps that PC's have, but with limited ability. I also try to pick smaller apps for each use, or use apps that have more than one use.

Firefox
ClamWin
Thunderbird
Sudoku
Abiword
PokerTH
7-Zip
Miranda
MPlayer

For the Ultra one, I still tried to avoid repeat apps, but now I try to give the apps more specific purposes. I am also still trying to avoid apps that the average user may not use or be able to figure out.

Firefox
ClamWin
Thunderbird
Sudoku
PokerTH
7-Zip
Audacity
Jooleem
Task Coach
Eraser
KeePass
OpenOffice
Sunbird
Pidgin

And lastly, I decided for a Teche menu, for those who know what their doing to handle the complex apps, and have many needs to satisfy. (Edit: Actually, I think it should be called the Geek Menu. :D)

Notepad++
KompoZer
DosBox
PokerTH
Sudoku
GIMP
FileZilla
FireFox
ThunderBird
Pidgin
PuTTY
WinSCP
Audacity
BonkEnc
VLCMedia
GNUCash
Sunbird
OpenOffice
FDFTK
Task Coach
ClamWin
Command Prompt
Eraser
InfaRecorder
Toucan
WinDirStat
WinMd5Sum
WinMerge

I thought about these choices for a while, and I hope they help

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Bump

Should we get this going again now that we have some more apps out and the release candidate looking almost ready to go?

Maybe a new topic since no one likes two pages?

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You have been here long enough to know that bumps are bad! Wink
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